Hi Matt.
Thanks for resurrecting and sorry for not responding on the original thread.
Interesting discussions. I would intuitively agree with Bela were it not for the fact
that, as you said, you're actually storing data, require high availability of that
data during server failure, and may possibly chain tasks (as per a local fork-join) and
want to maintain server affinity across related tasks.
You could achieve all of this with JGroups but would end up re-implementing certain bits
of Infinispan, specifically:
- task failover
- task cancelling
- consistent hash based node selection for delivery, ensuring affinity across data and
tasks
So I think it is a pretty valid use case to make use of what Infinispan already has.
I'll have a look at your sources and comment more. I'm sure Paolo and others at
CloudTM will probably do the same.
Cheers
Manik
On 9 May 2013, at 01:50, Matt Hoffman <matt(a)mhoffman.org> wrote:
Resurrecting this topic: I've put some sample code on my fork
here:
https://github.com/matthoffman/infinispan/tree/dfj
There's a README there that offers an overview. I hope to do some performance
comparisons over the weekend, but in the meantime, the code is there if you're
curious.
I'm mainly interested whether this is the type of thing that Infinispan may be
interested in, as an alternative to the current distributed executor (much like the
ForkJoinPool in the JDK is an alternative to a traditional thread pool).
If so, the next steps would be to do some performance tests, pick one implementation to
move forward with (out of the 3 prototypes on that branch) and clean it up sufficiently to
be considered for a pull request.
If its not something that Infinispan is interested in, then I'll change approaches
and make it more generic, so that it isn't Infinispan-specific and can be used with
other transports. I'm open to either option... I think there are pros and cons either
way.
Thanks!
matt
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 7:07 AM, Paolo Romano <romano(a)inesc-id.pt> wrote:
This sounds really interesting Matt. In the Cloud-TM project (
www.cloudtm.eu) we are
currently developing a parallel graph-analysis algorithm on top of Infinispan's DEF. I
would be really curious to take a look at the framework you developed, and see how it
could be exploited in our application.
Regards,
Paolo
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On 3/2/13 5:40 PM, matt hoffman wrote:
> Hey guys,
>
> I've been working on a prototype of integrating Infinispan into our app. We do a
lot of distributed processing across a small cluster, so I've played with
Infinispan's existing distributed execution framework (which is nice), as well as
using Infinispan alongside a normal message queue to distribute tasks. But I've also
put together a prototype of a new distributed execution framework using fork-join pools
that you all might be interested in. If it sounds like something that would be worthwhile
for Infinispan, I can raise a Jira and submit a pull request with what I have so far.
I'd need to get the CA and company policy stuff finalized; that might take a couple
days. Meanwhile, in case there is any interest, I've described the approach I've
taken below.
>
> First, a little background:
>
> A while back I worked on a side project that integrated a distributed work-stealing
algorithm into the standard JDK fork-join queue. It used JGroups for communication,
because it was quick and easy for prototyping. So this week I thought i'd take a stab
at porting that over to Infinispan. The algorithm I came up with for Infinispan is a bit
less of a work-stealing algorithm, to take advantage of Infinispan's built-in
distribution capabilities, but I think it's still fairly efficient.
>
> My basic approach was to take in a cache in the constructor, much like the existing
distributed executor, and then create a parallel, DIST-mode cache that uses the same hash
& grouping configuration as the original cache. That new parallel cache is the
"task cache", and we use that to distribute available tasks across the cluster.
It's a distributed cache so that tasks are partitioned across a large cluster, and it
uses the hashing config of the original cache and a KeyAffinityService to attempt to
distribute the tasks to the same nodes that contain the data being worked on. Nodes use
cache listeners to be notified when there is new work available, and the atomic replace()
to "check out" the tasks for execution, and "check in" the results.
>
> The basic algorithm is something like this:
>
> For a refresher, a normal FJ pool has a fork() method that takes in a task, and then
places that task on an internal queue (actually, one of several queues). When threads are
idle, they look to the nearest work queue for work. If that work queue does not have work,
they "steal" work from another thread's queue. So in the best case, tasks
remain on the same thread as the task that spawned them, so tasks that process the same
data as their parents may still have that data in the CPU's cache, etc. There's
more to it than that, but that's the basic idea.
>
> This distributed algorithm just adds an extra layer on top for tasks that are marked
"distributable" (by extending DistributedFJTask instead of the normal
ForkJoinTask). When you call fork() with a DistributedFJTask, it first checks to see if
the local pool's work queue is empty. If so, we just go ahead and submit it locally;
there's no reason to distribute it. If not, we put the task in the task cache, and let
Infinispan distribute it. When a node has no more work to do in its internal fork-join
queues, it looks at the task cache and tries to pull work from there.
>
> So, it isn't really a "work-stealing" algorithm, per se; the
distributable tasks are being distributed eagerly using Infinispan's normal cache
distribution. But I'm hoping that doing that also makes it easier to handle node
failure, since nodes collectively share a common picture of the work to be done.
>
> This approach required one change to the actual FJ classes themselves (in
org.infinispan.util.concurrent.jdk8backported). That's probably the most controversial
change. I had to make the original ForkJoinTask's fork() method non-final in order to
extend it cleanly. There's probably a way around that, but that's the cleanest
option I have thought of thus far.
>
> And lastly, it's not done yet: basic task distribution is working, but I
haven't tackled failover to any real extent yet. The biggest questions, though, are
around what to do with the existing distributed execution interfaces. For example,
DistributedTask has a getCallable() method because it assumes it's wrapping a
Callable. But ForkJoinTasks don't extend Callable. I could put in a shim to wrap the
DistributedFJTasks into Callables for the sake of that method, but I don't know if
it's worth it. Similarly, the DistributedExecutorService interface exposes a lot of
submit-to-specific-address or submit-to-all-addresses methods, which are an odd fit here
since tasks are distributed via their own cache. Even if I used a KeyAffinityService to
target the task to the given Address, it might get picked up by another node that shares
that same hash. But I can add in a direct-to-single-Address capability in if that seems
worthwhile. Alternately, I can just use entirely different interfaces
(DistributedFJExecutorService, DistributedFJTask?).
>
> Thoughts? Concerns? Glaring issues?
>
>
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