Up this: it was proposed again today ad a face to face meeting.
Apparently multiple parties have been asking to be able to run
cross-cache queries.
Sanne
On 11 April 2012 12:47, Emmanuel Bernard <emmanuel(a)hibernate.org> wrote:
On 10 avr. 2012, at 19:10, Sanne Grinovero wrote:
> Hello all,
> currently Infinispan Query is an interceptor registering on the
> specific Cache instance which has indexing enabled; one such
> interceptor is doing all what it needs to do in the sole scope of the
> cache it was registered in.
>
> If you enable indexing - for example - on 3 different caches, there
> will be 3 different Hibernate Search engines started in background,
> and they are all unaware of each other.
>
> After some design discussions with Ales for CapeDwarf, but also
> calling attention on something that bothered me since some time, I'd
> evaluate the option to have a single Hibernate Search Engine
> registered in the CacheManager, and have it shared across indexed
> caches.
>
> Current design limitations:
>
> A- If they are all configured to use the same base directory to
> store indexes, and happen to have same-named indexes, they'll share
> the index without being aware of each other. This is going to break
> unless the user configures some tricky parameters, and even so
> performance won't be great: instances will lock each other out, or at
> best write in alternate turns.
> B- The search engine isn't particularly "heavy", still it would be
> nice to share some components and internal services.
> C- Configuration details which need some care - like injecting a
> JGroups channel for clustering - needs to be done right isolating each
> instance (so large parts of configuration would be quite similar but
> not totally equal)
> D- Incoming messages into a JGroups Receiver need to be routed not
> only among indexes, but also among Engine instances. This prevents
> Query to reuse code from Hibernate Search.
>
> Problems with a unified Hibernate Search Engine:
>
> 1#- Isolation of types / indexes. If the same indexed class is
> stored in different (indexed) caches, they'll share the same index. Is
> it a problem? I'm tempted to consider this a good thing, but wonder if
> it would surprise some users. Would you expect that?
I would not expect that. Unicity in Hibernate Search is not defined per identity but per
class + provided id.
I can see people reusing the same class as partial DTO and willing to index that. I can
even see people
using the Hibernate Search programmatic API to index the "DTO" stored in cache
2 differently than the
domain class stored in cache 1.
I can concede that I am pushing a bit the use case towards bad-ish design approaches.
> 2#- configuration format overhaul: indexing options won't be set on
> the cache section but in the global section. I'm looking forward to
> use the schema extensions anyway to provide a better configuration
> experience than the current <properties />.
> 3#- Assuming 1# is fine, when a search hit is found I'd need to be
> able to figure out from which cache the value should be loaded.
> 3#A we could have the cache name encoded in the index, as part
> of the identifier: {PK,cacheName}
> 3#B we actually shard the index, keeping a physically separate
> index per cache. This would mean searching on the joint index view but
> extracting hits from specific indexes to keep track of "which index"..
> I think we can do that but it's definitely tricky.
>
> It's likely easier to keep indexed values from different caches in
> different indexes. that would mean to reject #1 and mess with the user
> defined index name, to add for example the cache name to the user
> defined string.
>
> Any comment?
>
> Cheers,
> Sanne
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