On Feb 22, 2012, at 5:26 PM, Galder Zamarreño wrote:
On Feb 22, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Manik Surtani wrote:
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> On 22 Feb 2012, at 10:05, Galder Zamarreño wrote:
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>>>> For 2, imagine a client that starts a remote cache manager, signs up for
notifications in cache C, and has 50 threads interacting with cache C concurrently (so, 50
channels are open with the server). I don't want the server to send back 50 events for
each interested cache operation that happens on the server side. 1 notification should be
enough. This is one of the reasons I want "option #1".
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>>> Yes, the server definitely needs to be smart enough to identify multiple
connections from the same client, and this also needs to be distributed.
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>> +1, but the question is, how do you define "same client"? This is what
I was getting to with "origin" earlier (a way to identify cache managers). You
can't assume that a client IP to differentiate between different clients cos you could
have multiple Hot Rod clients running independently in a machine.
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>> If you have any other ideas, I'm happy to hear
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> Each client could be assigned a UUID when it first connects… and subsequent messages
could include this UUID in a header. Hmm, could get expensive though.
Hmmm, not sure that could work. It's the client that knows whether two channels
belong to the same client (i.e. two channels generated by same remote cache manager for
example).
So, I'm inclined to think that such ID should be generated by the client itself. If
you wanna avoid sending it with each request, you'd have to assume that there's a
first-request where that info comes, and assume that for the rest of the time the channel
is open, that won't change. This is a fair assumption but complicates clients cos they
need to differentiated between the first and any subsequent requests.
I'm investigating other possibilities.
Btw, I'm reading
http://sigops.org/sosp/sosp11/current/2011-Cascais/10-adya-online.pdf
which talks about Google's Thialfi client notification service and they have a similar
mechanism.
"When present, the optional source parameter identifies the client that made the
change. (This ID is provided by the application client at startup and is referred to as
its application ID.) As an optimization, Thialfi omits delivery of the notification to
this client, since the client already knows about the change."
So, they go for the option of providing this logical ID on startup and then be able to
avoid sending the notification to the originating node.
I think we could add this app or logica id as part of the add/register listener call and
avoid sending it with all operations. Tbh, only those nodes that have register a listener
care about knowing the event was generated locally or not, and only those care about not
receiving notifications in all their channels.
So, I think this could work.
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>>> E.g., if client C is connected to 2 server nodes S1 and S2, we don't want
both S1 and S2 to send back the same notification,
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>> +1 again, this can very easily done by using the isLocal() call in listeners. I
was only planning to send notifications from the node where the operation is local, which
gets around this issue.
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> +1.
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>>> Also, what are your thoughts around batching notifications?
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>> This could be handy to avoid overloading clients as well, but wasn't in my
initial plans.
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>> What might be important at this stage is if we consider batching of notifications
to be important, whether we'd want to embedd it into the protocol, so that an event
notification response could return 1 to N notifications in a single message. This would be
more optimal and should not result in a huge message since values will not be sent over,
only keys if anything.
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>> Otherwise, batching of notifications could be implemented at a later stage using
a similar method to the replication queue. We could even consider using disruptor instead
of a blocking queue…
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> Lets start without batching then, at least for a first pass.
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> Cheers
> Manik
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