These two approaches are not mutually exclusive. Here is what we can do.
We can have a very simple "execute this runnable on remote nodes and
collect results" model as an infrastructure for a higher layer
map/reduce you proposed Manik. That way we cover both ends - a simple
execution model on remote nodes for a given input data set and a more
sophisticated, original map/reduce model built on top of it. Users can
choose what fit their needs best. I can definitely see a need arising
for both of these approaches.
WDYT?
On 11-01-05 12:46 AM, Vladimir Blagojevic wrote:
Manik,
Of course we could go this direction as well. This is very similar to
Hadoop approach and close to original map/reduce paradigm. I
intentionally changed this paradigm into a simpler one because I read a
lot of criticism how it is very hard for "regular" developers to adapt
to original map/reduce paradigm. Hence simpler approach of mapping
runnable to execution nodes and collating results - unfortunately I
named them map and reduce as well.
Anyone else has an opinion while I think about this a bit more?
Regards,
Vladimir
On 11-01-04 3:47 PM, Manik Surtani wrote:
> Also, I think we need to be clear about these 2 (map and reduce) functions. Map
doesn't mean "pick node to run task on" in map/reduce speak. Map means
select /transform data for inclusion into a result set. Perhaps it also makes sense to
use smaller/simpler interfaces. I know this breaks away from the F/J API, but I'm
beginning to wonder if there is a proper alignment of purpose here in the first place -
going back on my original plans here. How's this for an alternate API:
>
> Mapper<K, V, T> {
> // just "maps" entries on a remote node. Map = filter and transform.
Invoked once for each entry on a remote cache.
> // null responses are ignored/filtered out.
> T map(K, V);
> }
>
> Reducer<T, R> {
> // incrementally reduces a transformed entry. Called once for each T produced by
the mapper.
> // previously reduced value passed in each time.
> R reduce(T, R);
> }
>
> Collator<R> {
> // Adds reduced results from remote nodes. Called once for each R returned by a
RemoteReducer.
> add(Address origin, R remote);
>
> // collates all results added so far.
> R collate();
> }
>
>
> And the API could do something like
>
> MapReduceContext c = new MapReduceContext(cache);
>
> // 1) distributes 'mapper' cluster wide. Calls mapper.map() for each K/V
pair. Stores result T for each invocation if T != null.
> // 2) For each T, reducer.reduce() is called. Each time, the previous value of R is
passed back in to reduce().
> // 3) Final value of R is sent back as a RPC result. For each result, address and R
is passed collator.add()
> // 4) Once all remote RPCs have responded, collator.collate() is called, pass result
back to caller.
> R r = c.invoke(mapper, reducer, collator);
>
> Variants may include:
>
> Filtering nodes:
> // restricts the set of nodes where RPCs are sent, based on the subset of the cluster
that contain one or more of K.
> // question: does this mean only K/V pairs that are in K... are passed in to the
mapper?
> R r = c.invoke(mapper, reducer, collator, K...);
>
> Using futures:
> NotifyingFuture<R> f = c.invokeFuture(mapper, reducer, collator)
>
> Example: implementing a word count. but only for keys that start with
"text" :
>
> Mapper<String, String, Integer> mapper = new Mapper<String, String,
Integer> () {
> Integer map(String k, String v) {
> return k.startsWith("text") ? v.length() : null;
> }
> }
>
> Reducer<Integer, Integer> reducer = Reducer<Integer, Integer>() {
> Integer reduce(Integer transformed, Integer prevReduced) {return transformed +
prevReduced;}
> }
>
> Collator<Integer> collator = Collator<Integer>() {
> int collated = 0;
> void add(Address origin, Integer result) {collated += result;}
> Integer collate() {return collated;}
> }
>
>
> WDYT? :-)
>
> Cheers
> Manik
>
>
>
> On 3 Jan 2011, at 11:37, Vladimir Blagojevic wrote:
>
>> On 11-01-03 6:16 AM, Galder ZamarreƱo wrote:
>>> Maybe I'm reading this wrong but are you saying that multiple caches
cause problem with mapping of task units to nodes in cluster?
>>>
>>> Or are you just doing it not to clutter the API?
>> Clutter of API. If you did not like K,V,T,R imagine dealing with
>> multiple cache confusion! It would be horrible.
>>
>>> I think DistributedTaskContext extending CacheContainer is rather confusing,
particularly when DistributedTaskContext has K,V parameters that generally are associated
with Cache rather than CacheContainer.
>> Yes, true but DistributedTaskContext is primarily geared towards one
>> cache while providing opportunity to read data from other caches as
>> well. Hence K,V for the primary cache. Any suggestions how to deal with
>> this in a more elegant way? Maybe pass DistributedTaskContext and
>> CacheContainer as separate parameters?
>>
>>
>>> Also, why is a context iterable? Iterates the contents of a CacheContainer?
extends generally means that "is something". AFAIK, you'd be able to iterate
a Map or Cache, but not a CacheContainer.
>> True.
>>
>>> Personally, I think DistributedTask has too many generics (K, V, T, R) and
it's hard to read. IMO, only T and R should only exist. I would also try to stick to
Callable conventions that takes a V.
>>>
>>> I don't like to see things like this, reminds me of EJB 2.1 where you
were forced to implement a method to simply get hold of a ctx. There're much nicer
ways to do things like this, if completely necessary (see EJB3) :
>> You mean injection? There is a proposal 2 that essentially does this.
>>
>>> @Override
>>> public void mapped(DistributedTaskContext<String, String>
ctx) {
>>> this.ctx = ctx;
>>> }
>>>
>>> Looking at the example provided, it seems to me that all
DistributedTaskContext is used for is to navigate the Cache contents from a user defined
callable, in which case I would limit its scope.
>> What do you mean - "limit its scope"?
>>
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