[JBoss jBPM] - Re: how to get jBPM working without the starterkit
by kukeltje
James,
It is a dead horse. I was the first who got 'frustrated' by people who think OS means free, detailed support. Sorry, to not fullfil that. Cocampo has to some extend taken over the task to educate people, cause that is what I think it is, educating them.
If you think the jBPM documentation is lacking that might as well indeed say something about you (without wanting to punch you in the noise, cause if there is one thing we are NOT, it is aggressive). We've had lots of positive feedback, mostly of-forum, from people with the right amount of knowledge to get started with jBPM. on-forum, lots of times people say they have NO knowledge of jBPM and j2ee (even if there is no direct relation) but want basic support. I often hasitated to respond that they should take java 101 or j2ee for dummies classes first, cause that is what is mentioned as a primary requirement, some basic java knowledge. This does not make them an idiot, those are your words, but it makes them unfit to get started with jbpm (hell, even any other bpm solution)
Time to go to bed now (at least for me)
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[JBoss jBPM] - Re: how to get jBPM working without the starterkit
by cocampo
Yeah, you're correct, I should let Java-noobs pollute the forum with nonsense (at least regarding jBPM) questions. However, in this particular case, the guy had NO clue at all regarding jBPM (even after reading -or at least he said so- the manual and the wikis). After a while, someone told him that maybe he should look for another tool, another language or another career.
Let me put it this way: I don't find amusing when people don't read the manual (most times is obvious) or when they come, ask for help and wait for others to do their job while they relax in their desk by seeing a movie, hearing jokes and drinking gallons of coffee and/or coke.
If you want this forum to be useful, you better try to find a solution BEFORE asking for help. Even better, you can stop comments like "I find jBPM documentation lacking as well...". Instead of making this personal (by asking if I want to punch you in the nose) and bitching about a product you're NOT PAYING a penny for it, I'll ask you to contribute: if you find a bug, provide a solution; if you find an error in the manual or "lacking" then edit it and enhance it.
Stop bugging me with comments like this, because is really boring, specially when they come from people that haven't contributed to this (or any other JBoss) forum.
Just my two cents.
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