[JBoss Portal] - Re: Errors while running WSRP behind firewall in 2.6.3
by swisst
Playing devil's advocate here because I think the debate is important!
Yeah, installation of WebSphere Portal is complicated...the 11 disk thing bums be out. I think that is the biggest complaint from IBM users (mine too). JBoss Portal was soooo easy to get going, that was very refreshing!
I don't find the support mechanism very cumbersome, in fact their patch delivery mechanism is very slick. I like the idea of patching my installation vs replacing the install. My biggest complaint is finding the patch I need or even knowing when a patch has been released. I guess that could be a separate discussion.
The EJB3 feature is delivered via their "Feature Pack" mechanism. If you have used WebSphere in the past, one of the huge complaints was that they were forever lagging in keeping up with the Java standards. This new feature pack idea is how they plan on keeping their server line current, without having to move to a new version of the product. Which is very appealing to the people that have dozens (or hundreds) of instances running. I don't see this as a negative, but as an improvement on one of their previous shortcomings. Only time will tell if addresses the issue at hand.
I'm not sure about bloated and slow, I guess we'd need to see some data on that. WebSphere does have a larger footprint, but that alone does not mean bloated or slow.
Where is your area, because I'd love to get $200/hr! My last two projects have been as consultants...one for WebSphere Portal, one for JBoss Portal. My final rate to the client has been the same for both projects. I know if you go to IBM directly they charge a premium. Yes they have a huge consulting arm and you don't always get what you pay for. I guess the message is to stay away from their consulting arm, there are plenty of other people to get consulting services from other than IBM.
As far as the codebase for IBM Portal, their first version (many years ago) was Jetspeed with IBM stuff on top. That was long before JSR 168 (which they were the lead on the spec)...since then it has grown/changed dramatically. Nobody in the industry is free from this practice, ask JBoss about their ESB.
My experience with JBoss Portal has been very positive, as has my experience with WebSphere Portal. There are positives and negatives to each...I will say this, in the open-source portal space, JBoss Portal seems to be the best. I have tried (not delivered applications) Liferay and JetSpeed2.
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[Beginners Corner] - Re: The Interested Idea of Java Web Hosting
by PeterJ
I think what you are asking is how to get started creating web apps using JBossAS and JSP. And you also want to know about Java portals.
For getting started, any tutorial on JSPs should work (google for "jsp tutorial"). But note that in Java, unlike in PHP, there are several different "platforms" (JBossAS is one of those platforms) on which you can deploy your JSPs and each platform uses a slightly different deployment mechanism. Some good books that will get you started include:
JBoss at Work by Marrs and Davis
JBoss: A Developer's Guide by Richards and Griffith
You can find links to both on the documentation page at http://labs.jboss.com/jbossas/docs/
Both books start by describing how to develop, deploy and run a simple hello world app. Though both are based on an older version of JBossAS.
Or you could download the free first chapter for JBoss in Action at http://www.manning.com/jamae, which also covers a simple hello world program, but that book is based on the upcoming JBossAS 5.0.
As for portal, take a look at the JBoss Portal. The documentation is very good and should get you up and running once you have an understanding of JSPs.
Finally, to access your data in MySQL, take a look at JBoss Seam. Once again, excellent documentation.
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[JBoss Portal] - Re: Errors while running WSRP behind firewall in 2.6.3
by kahotep
Hey Swisst,
The costs I speak of are not only the licensing ones, but also the installation and support costs, which include "time to install."
For evaluation purposes, I did an install on a copy we have at the office here.
To install WebSphere Portal 6.0, I had to use a set of 11 CDs, then I had to download a "fix pack" which was about 500mb. I thought I was done, and it would work for my purposes, but wrong I was, and I had to install another fix pack in order to get EJB 3 going.
Not only this, but the whole WebSphere package is bloated and slow; it requires far more hardware infrastructure than JBoss as well.
With JBoss Portal, I had the whole package downloaded and installed in 20 minutes. Although I wasn't familiar with it, or with portal programming in general, I was able to configure it to work with our database very easily.
Another issue that should be considered is the cost of support. I have seen consultants with experience in WebSphere paid almost $200/hr in my area. This quickly escalates into the tens of thousands I spoke of. Going to IBM for help is not going to be cheap either; one of our consultants noted that IBM routinely bills $700/hr for consultants, then hires someone for 50-60 hr to get the job done, pocketing the difference.
I like JBoss Portal because it is light-weight, simple and open-source. In contrast, IBM's WebSphere Portal requires far more hardware, has proprietary source code, and takes much longer to install and configure.
IBM "built" their portal mostly from acquisitions, so basically it is a hodge podge of different pieces from various acquisitions. Thats not really very innovative imo.
I don't like the way they fool companies into forking over millions of dollars for their products, and I especially dislike the half-assed work I've seen them do on pieces that were sub-contracted off of contracts I've worked on.
Anyhow, thats just my two cents on the matter.
"swisst" wrote : Well to be fair in your comparison, you should get your licensing costs for WebSphere Portal straight. This is a good place to start for the low end:
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| https://www-112.ibm.com/software/howtobuy/buyingtools/paexpress/Express?P...
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| Also, to continue a fair comparison, it would be nice to know the JBoss support contract rates.
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| Having delivered applications on both platforms, my choice would be WebSphere Portal. I think purchasing a support contract from JBoss would have made a huge difference, unfortunately, the company saw no value.
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| I would love to see a side-by-side comparison, sans all of the anecdotes...
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