"pete.muir(a)jboss.org" wrote : Of course @Out doesn't cause @Create not to run. You have some other problem. Hi Pete hope its not too cold up there in Scotland. I think I should re-explain... I had a page that dragged in some Varibles that were @outjected from a Seam bean. I assumed that the bean that "hosted" these outjected variables would have its @Create method run when the variable was used... How wrong I was... The Create appears to ONLY be called when you call a routine within the bean. Does that make sense now. View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4130000#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...