no jboss wasn't running. I actually did the runtime firts thing before anything else this morning. I really searched everywhere I could think of to see where it came from. It wasn't added as library, user library or any other manual means of attaching jars to the project. It was refernced dynamically via some strange logic. May something in the eclipse Web Tool Kit. Again thanks. View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4183245#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...