I don't believe wrong is the correct term to describe the situation, rather, from your (Seam team) perspective, you provide examples that are based on 'things' being in places in the Seam 2.0.0.CR(X) distribution. Thus, jars like "jboss-embedded-all.jar" are not truly all. I say that because I had to discover (the hard way) that I needed to add jboss-embedded-api.jar and jboss-deployers.jar to my repo and test-scoped dependencies to my pom.xml. No, this is not in the Seam 2.0.0.CR3 docs - I double checked. I'm guessing your ant scripts build up classpaths using the lib and the lib/test directories in the distro and so it's easy to miss this kind of thing. I also just discovered that I need to add hibernate-commons-annotations.jar to my test-scoped dependencies, and thus, again, hibernate-all.jar is not truly all. It would be nice if the 'all' jars were truly 'all'. ;-) I also needed to learn the jboss embedded container layout a bit; this is so that I could put appropriate maven2 testResource instructions into my pom(s) and reproduce the bootstrap directory layout. And... I needed to figure out that I need to copy my target/classes contents to the bootstrap deploy dir (I haven't figured out how to get the bootstrap to treat target/classes as part of the classpath). I'm close now. Thanks, Brad View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4100368#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...