don't understand my objection? That's simple to understand.... I've been using Log4j or commons logging to log messages for years. I started using the @Logger Log log with Seam and used it the same way I've been logging for years - everything's been fine until I a.) first tried the 1.1.5 release, and then b.) tried the CVS version of 1.1.5+ release. The price I paid for trying is that suddenly the logging system surprised me with error/exception we've been discussing - a completely unexpected problem. Since I have a deadline for the project I am on, it looks to me like the safe path is to use Commons logging directly - that's fine. View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4012629#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...