well goodness me thats been difficult. I think it would be as well to put a package together just for the embedded server in an accessible format. in the end i spotted something on one ofthe seam pages that discusses deploying on the ejb standalone. even better the seam distro ships with a /lib and an an embedded/conf directory with a working set of libraries and config files. relinked my app to the seam /lib and confdirectoroies and provided my own META-INF directory to load my own datasource mysql data source and persistence.xml. and by golly my simple hello world test stateless bean worked straight out of the box. Thats cost me the best part of 3 days trying to get that working It would be really useful to put a section on the Jboss site/wiki to help with poor little idiots such as myself who wnat to get started easily without all the pain only thing i could see in the log output was the first line - a Warn | 17:30:05,753 WARN [BeanSchemaBinding] You should use the 2.0 version of the Microcontainer xml. xmlns='urn:jboss:bean-deployer:2.0' | ... | which sounds possibly not ideal but doesnt stop it all working. Any one got idea what this is trying to tell me and which XML config needs changing? View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=3997646#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...