You mean you can keep up with learning them as fast as they add them! Really do want working components though (IceFaces)... can you imagine Gavin doing one of those Web-Ex's for seam now?? how long would it be? In fact; it would be real nice if we had a suite of those to go with the most excellent doco. Seam-Core Seam-Secuirty Seam-IceFaces Seam-Jxxx :) View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4023918#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...