Hi, Must be something rather obvious, yet I'm not aware of it. I have a page with a s:link element with propagation "join" and "conversation.id" output. When I first load the page I see conversation as 1 which is fine. But when I click the link the conversation ID increases to 2, regardless of the propagation "join". In next clicks it stays the same on 2, which is as expected. Can anyone shed a light on why the first click is different from all the latter's? Is it a JSF feature I don't know about? ps. I never worked with JSF before, is it absolutely necessary to know all the intricacies of JSF in order to write Seam apps? Thanks, View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4088233#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...