Is there a final consensus about this issue? I mean how is done know and if this should change in future version (which one) ? to be in the safe side: what would be the best way to test for 'persistency' of an entity? also I kept the idea this is not an issue that is RDBM related, right? I really appreciate you sharing about this interesting stuff View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4112435#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...