Hi Gavin The examples/glassfish demo does not work with the new Seam security model. In my quest to figure out what the heck was wrong, I tried to trim back the included jar files (OK, maybe a bad strategy - but I thought there might be some conflicts with the GlassFish jars). Anyways - after some hacking, I do in fact have the Seam security stuff working, and of course the problems had nothing to do with el jars. However - the demo appears to work fine without them - so they do not appear to be needed. View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4020321#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...