I agree with supernova. The tools that exist today pretty much satisfy my needs. The only thing I really need from a seam tool is to generate the finicky project structure. The rest is just referring to examples. And don't forget, this framework is maturing at a ridiculous rate. Also, the number of core enterprise features you "get for free" can't be matched as far as I'm concerned. anonymous wrote : before I drop dead haha! View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4085542#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...