Hello Gavin, I don't get you, Gavin. I think you have not read the posting fully or my posting is not clear. What I tried to say was that there is a difference in behaviour in conversation start/end/propagation when the STATE_SAVING_METHOD is changed from client to server. When the STATE_SAVING_METHOD is server and when the current page is requested again (from an outputlink or thru browser refresh), a new conversation is not started and a new bean instance is not created which is OPPOSITE to the behaviour if the STATE_SAVING_METHOD is client. Thanx, Kevin. View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4008836#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...