Ronald, I'm afraid I don't fit in either camp. I think the doc is pretty badly inadequate. Because of the problems with the search engine, and the problems inherent in trying to use text to search for a concept that others may have expressed differently, I don't think "STFF" is warranted nearly as often as you do. The fact that the same questions keep coming in should be a hint, not that the users clueless and/or lazy, but that the info should be out there in a more accessible format. I think the same thing about the products of my own company, so maybe I'm just a crazy-for-docs kind of guy. -Ed Staub View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4044279#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...