I agree, as I have tried your approach before, Pete. Unfortunately it didn't work with pagination, that's why I decided to have a SFSB which extends EntityQuery. I would really appreciate a Seam example where I can have a dataTable (fine if it's not richfaces datatable, but nice-to-have ;-) with a bunch of inputTexts inside columns, where pagination, sorting, etc. works without having to check if the submitted values really belong into the currently (visible) row. I am quite certain that Seam does not provide this functionality out-of-the-box now, but if you think it's worth a feature request, I'll be glad to post it. The reason why I don't like my SFSB approach is that it may not work in future releases because of possible framework changes + my SFSB expects all entities to extend one special MappedSuperclass named PersistableObject. View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4057398#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...