im looking into this now. it seems like ive misunderstood how NullLoggerPlugin is used, i always assumed that it was only used if no logger was set. i didnt think that people might use it deliberately. this changes everything and ill remove the check that inserts the aoplogger for now and see if there is another solution to the problem. View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4192730#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...