I'm not quite sure of your application architecture, but a PAGE scope component thats available in restore won't be available in render (you are in a different page scope by then). anonymous wrote : Is it the case that if you are relying on EL to create your instances, then the order of the elements in the page is important? Of course. *Something* needs to tell Seam to create the component, be it the component (@AutoCreate), the EL, or the @In(create=true). View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4121028#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...