We are planning on using JSF in an upcoming project. We have chosen JSF, facelets, myfaces etc. I am now looking into Seam and possibly shale (or neither). It appears that Seam's session handling, use of annotations, and conversational options are very nice. However, for reasons i dont want to get into, i cannot use EJB3. Basically we have a fairly robust object model that supports persistance through Hibernate 3.0 and it's mapping files. Can we use Seam without EJB3 but with straight Hibernate ORM support? And more importantly, any thoughts on whether and how worthwhile it is without EJB? View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=3983525#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...