Oh by the way, I don't think this is icky at all...yes, a pretty handy pattern. My new-motherEntity.xhtml page has 5 or 6 parts are rounded with | <s:fragment rendered = .....> | ... | </s:fragment> | And several of the fragment is modal (which is a nested conversation). The mother Entity itself it too simple to be displayed on a separate page and I want my users to keep a big picture in mind when she is creating this motherEntity(which has 5 or 6 collections). So, everything happens on the same page when the user is creating a new motherEntity. It takes a bit work to get straight of issues and I have had long debugging sessions, but now the result turns out pretty good. Seems the rolling-back-at-time-out problem is the last issue I need to solve for this root conversation. Regards, Ellen View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4063602#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...