tried upgrading seam and jboss AS at the same time and had too many issues. i posted several issues i was having with seam and received no response see: http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&t=105120 What's difficult is that the exceptions are burried deep in Seam and I don't have the knowledge yet to determine how to apply the exception to my own code. In any case, I'll keep after it. Thanks for taking a look. View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4032419#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...