It's not that i've not some experience in JBoss although its pretty negative I installed jboss 5.1 , changed the DS to my sql and clearly bounced on the messages persistance problem i repaired that like 100 of others and jumped probably like 1000 others in the same problem .... i deleted tyhe hsd... persistence and replaced like I was told by the mysql-persistence ... now it complains the persistence manager is already installed and jumps into the same deadlock loop..... I'm trying to do a seam setup , spending days just to setup JBOSS is more then an overkill Can someone give me a way to install JBOSS Without the need to read 10000 pages and spending weeks on the setup . With some warranty it works or would you advice me to give up JBOSS 5.1 all together View the original post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4239357#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...