I have this peace of code: <a4j:region renderRegionOnly="false"> | <h:selectOneMenu id="hrs" value="#{kfz.hersteller}" required="true" | <s:selectItems value="#{herstellersList}" var="her" label="#{her.bezeichnung}" noSelectionLabel="Bitte waehlen..." /> | <f:converter converterId="myConverter" /> | <a4j:support event="onchange" action="#{fahrzeugin.setKmodel}" | reRender="modelsel" /> | </h:selectOneMenu> | </a4j:region> | There are a way to read out in converter #{herstellersList} without factory methode will fired? View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4038612#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...