i'm not really sure if seam is the culprit here, as i tried to do uninstall from eclipse of all plug-ins aside from jbossAs tools, and i still got it, only when i removed it as well , i finally broke clear, but again i'm not sure. i did a fresh install, updatded jboss tools, but this time only jbossAS tools, jbpm and hibernate (no seam or other stuff) and it worked, actually it worked a whole lot faster, (well except for mylyn pug-in keeping time out) oh, i could not get the birt integration for jboss, it kept needing a depedency from wtp ui integration. i thought uninstall actually deleted plug-ins but it didn't. View the original post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4264681#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...