I just read: http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=45998 Where 37signals are mentioned and I came to think of a fundamental difference between the two companies: - 37signals use the tool they develop (ruby on rails) - JBoss develop a tool for others to use (seam) Which kind of compares to: - A blacksmith that happens to sell hammers (and optimizing the hammer design while using and testing it) - A blacksmith that happens to sell a kind of hammer he doesn't use himself. This just gives the wrong impression (and marketing material) for the last blacksmith. And came to think: - Why are we using this "c...." forum when we have a tool like seam at our hands? - Why are JBoss not building real world applications and making som great marketing material to show off? It's time for real world examples. View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4114548#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...