anonymous wrote : Yes, but if it's in PAGE scope then on 'postback' the datamodel will be available through EL so won't be recreated. Your scenario is a big reason for PAGE scope :) Good point, I wasn't thinking about how page scope worked. Unfortunately, I have tried this in the past and it adds another big problem.... serializing/reconstituting data. Since my lists consist of attached Entity Beans this is problematic. anonymous wrote : A page action would work as well I think. Remember you can disable conversation propogation for actions and therefore @Begin would start a new conversation. This is equivalent to to your 'stripping the conversation Id'. Disabling propogation sounds perfect.... but how do you do it? View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=3957481#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...