Ronald, I see a lot of instances on the forum of folks who have problems with EL and don't (apparently) have any way to dig into what they've done wrong beyond inspection of their code. It's much more common with transition condition expressions. Do you know if there's any way to turn on EL tracing so that, e.g., in this case, he'd see somewhere in a log a "No Such Field 'getId'" error message? -Ed Staub View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4049289#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...