And again, I'm back to "error during model data update". I assume that that error is happening because the object is null. And yet the object has a CONVERSATION scope, so it seems to me that it should always exist as long as their is a conversation. Is there some way to tell seam, "Please create this object and put it in the given context so I can process this page"? It seems totally random to me how Seam decides which objects to create and when. By the way, on my SFSB, I do have @In(creatte=true), and that doesn't seem to do any good. View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=3966642#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...