I mean I simply have outputText element showing conversation.id. After the page is loaded the first time the conversation ID shows 1 and the link as I see it in the browser's status bar is .../home.seam?cid=1&conversationPropagation=join But when I click the link the conversation ID goes up to 2, and the link changes to .../home.seam?cid=2&conversationPropagation=join anonymous wrote : It is not necessary to know all the intracacies of JSF to write Seam apps :) Seam abstracts most of the details of JSF so you don't have to worry about them making it very easy to develop applications. That's encouraging. I find it frustrating to spend time on something which you'll abandon and forget later. As far as I can tell many bits of JSF are now being replaced and enhanced, particularly by Seam. View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4088252#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...