A coding question ... with EL how do I get to things like .size.. or .isEmpty its seems very hard to get to!!! I have this... | <h:outputText value="#{messages.no_keywords}" rendered="#{advertisingCampaign.keywords == null}"/> | and want this | <h:outputText value="#{messages.no_keywords}" rendered="#{advertisingCampaign.keywords == null || advertisingCampaign.keywords.size == 0}"/> | But size is "not a property" and incidently nither is isEmpty !!! keywords is a LinkedHashSet (to ensure retreival order matches insertion order) and I am pretty sure that this is NOT a factor... View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4043362#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...