Thanks for your help.. let me try to address your comments "..probably using the examples and the guide from AS 4.x against AS 5.x" The JBOSS AS 5.1 download I have comes from : http://sourceforge.net/projects/jboss/files/JBoss/JBoss-5.1.0.GA/jboss-5.... The doc re the JSF/EJB3 example is here (and appears to be intended to be AS 5 specific) : http://www.jboss.org/file-access/default/members/jbossas/freezone/docs/In... and for the SEAM example http://www.jboss.org/file-access/default/members/jbossas/freezone/docs/In... I did finally get the JSF/EJB3 example working. There are numerous problems with it but the most major is the ant WAR task places the bean class in the wrong location. I tried the SEAM JSF/EJB3 example but if failed with some incomprehensible messages so if I get some more time I'll fight with it some more then.. I guess I'm surprised these examples don't work.. I would have expected many people to try them as the first thing to get working. (Indeed there are numerous references to these examples working on google). In my case I was hoping to use them as a quick way to learn about JSF and JBOSS and actually have some working code to play with. So since I don't know JSF/Facelets/EJB3/SEAM etc its very painful to have to debug what should work out of the box. View the original post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4247458#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...