anonymous wrote : | But Spring integrates out of the box with Hibernate (versions 2 and 3), JDO (versions 1 and 2), TopLink. If Johnson was anti-ORM, why would this be the case then? | There are several years between these events (not liking ORM, selling early Spring to early Hibernate users, adding more wrappers for other tools, and so on). I have no doubt that Rod Johnson now understands ORM better than in his first book and that he realized at some point that the fast adoption of Spring can be attributed to its function as a Hibernate wrapper. View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4077434#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...