Hi, I would like to know the status of service task repository; I really appreciate the idea behind it and delivering some POC, customers were really enthusiastic about this feature (especially its integration with jbpm designer and BRMS) but it seems that the actual repo doesn't have some new effort. Will we provide API to push service tasks to the repository? I think it should be useful to provide some mechanism to approve a new service task before to make it public. Thanks, Giovanni -- Giovanni Marigi Red Hat - JBoss Consultant - email: gmarigi(a)redhat.com Mobile: +39 3423175986 Office: +39 0687502315 Red Hat Italy Via Andrea Doria 41m 00192 Roma - Italy www.redhat.com Prima di stampare, pensa all'ambiente ** Think about the environment before printing _______________________________________________ jbpm-dev mailing list jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev

I'm not sure if Guvnor is the best place for it - because assets that are stored in Guvnor are not very portable as a "unit" outside of Guvnor. I would rather make it in a way work like maven -> users can specify the "parent" repository which can be one that we provide for the community with all out-of-the-box services nodes and run mvn clean install which will build their local repo that they can expose on any public domain or server they wish, any way they wish..just my 2c. On 3/13/12 12:11 PM, Mauricio Salatino wrote: At some point those definitions should be stored in guvnor right? Until now I think it's just a folder with some meta-data files to define what is in there, but I think that it really make sense to put that functionality inside guvnor that is a fully fledged repository right? Guvnor already provide the APIs to push resources, and we definitely need to add a kind of workflow for resources.. but it's not there yet. Cheers On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Giovanni Marigi <gmarigi(a)redhat.com&gt;wrote: > Hi, > I would like to know the status of service task repository; > I really appreciate the idea behind it and delivering some POC, customers > were really enthusiastic about this feature (especially its integration > with jbpm designer and BRMS) but it seems that the actual repo doesn't have > some new effort. > Will we provide API to push service tasks to the repository? I think it > should be useful to provide some mechanism to approve a new service task > before to make it public. > > Thanks, > Giovanni > > -- > Giovanni Marigi > Red Hat - JBoss Consultant - > email: gmarigi(a)redhat.com > Mobile: +39 3423175986 <%2B39%203423175986> > Office: +39 0687502315 <%2B39%200687502315> > > Red Hat Italy > Via Andrea Doria 41m > 00192 Roma - Italy > www.redhat.com > > Prima di stampare, pensa all'ambiente ** Think about the environment > before printing > _______________________________________________ > jbpm-dev mailing list > jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev > -- - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio - _______________________________________________ jbpm-dev mailing listjbpm-dev@lists.jboss.orghttps://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev

I think you have very valid points. IMO just: 1) There should not be a limitation exposed on users to have to have Guvnor (and thus a J2EE server) running in order to host static files (service repo). 2) Guvnor assets are divided into packages, if you lets say have a "serviceRepo" package and from what I can tell you say build it and expose a pkg or zip or whatever, someone on the other end has to understand what a pkg file is/isnot or have to know how to unzip etc. 3) If you do not have a dedicated guvnor package for your service repo, then you need advanced logic to piece together all assets that belong to your repo..in the same environment that your users are developing/modelling in..not very intuitive imo. 4) Let's say you want to use guvnor and this is some sort of mission-critical service repo for you, to do this now you need a clustering environement of J2EE server(s) and Guvnor running in a cluster all connected to a clustered JCR repo..etc etc..instead of just pushing your static files to akamai and call it a day :) Thanks. On 3/13/12 1:32 PM, Mauricio Salatino wrote: Tiho, a question for you.. why guvnor cannot host a file? I mean.. I'm not sure how Porcelli is creating the war files for the services, but we can generate something similar right? some meta information, some images, some configuration files, etc, when the user or a client like eclipse want to get the workitemhandler installed it just create a zip file with all the required dependencies and it send that back to the client. In that way we will gain versioning, categorization and tagging for free..right? Plus the possibility in the future to manage that with a workflow for approvals if we add that for all the other resources. Probably I'm missing something but I don't understand what is the Guvnor limitation to host files or descriptors, we are already doing that for spring beans configs. Cheers On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Tihomir Surdilovic <tsurdilo(a)redhat.com&gt;wrote: > I'm not sure if Guvnor is the best place for it - because assets that > are stored in Guvnor are not very portable as a "unit" outside of Guvnor. I > would rather make it in a way work like maven -> users can specify the > "parent" repository which can be one that we provide for the community with > all out-of-the-box services nodes and run mvn clean install which will > build their local repo that they can expose on any public domain or server > they wish, any way they wish..just my 2c. > > > > On 3/13/12 12:11 PM, Mauricio Salatino wrote: > > At some point those definitions should be stored in guvnor right? Until > now I think it's just a folder with some meta-data files to define what is > in there, but I think that it really make sense to put that functionality > inside guvnor that is a fully fledged repository right? > Guvnor already provide the APIs to push resources, and we definitely need > to add a kind of workflow for resources.. but it's not there yet. > > Cheers > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Giovanni Marigi <gmarigi(a)redhat.com&gt;wrote: > >> Hi, >> I would like to know the status of service task repository; >> I really appreciate the idea behind it and delivering some POC, >> customers were really enthusiastic about this feature (especially its >> integration with jbpm designer and BRMS) but it seems that the actual repo >> doesn't have some new effort. >> Will we provide API to push service tasks to the repository? I think it >> should be useful to provide some mechanism to approve a new service task >> before to make it public. >> >> Thanks, >> Giovanni >> >> -- >> Giovanni Marigi >> Red Hat - JBoss Consultant - >> email: gmarigi(a)redhat.com >> Mobile: +39 3423175986 <%2B39%203423175986> >> Office: +39 0687502315 <%2B39%200687502315> >> >> Red Hat Italy >> Via Andrea Doria 41m >> 00192 Roma - Italy >> www.redhat.com >> >> Prima di stampare, pensa all'ambiente ** Think about the environment >> before printing >> _______________________________________________ >> jbpm-dev mailing list >> jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev >> > > > > -- > - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com > - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org > - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar > > - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio - > > > > _______________________________________________ > jbpm-dev mailing listjbpm-dev@lists.jboss.orghttps://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev > > > -- - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio - _______________________________________________ jbpm-dev mailing list jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev

Michael, do you know if you can bootstrap the JCR container without a container? I think that it should be possible.. to have like a repository guvnor without all the UI. We should think about that option too right? Cheers On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Michael Anstis <michael.anstis(a)gmail.com > wrote: > Yes, I agree largely with what you say, but to add a little balance I > thought I'd respond too ;) > > 1) Technically, Guvnor doesn't need a J2EE server, just a Servlet > container so Tomcat does the job just fine. > > 2) AFAIK, you can download individual assets source from Guvnor with the > REST API. If you pushed a package file to Akamai* you have the same issue. > > 3) Fair point. If you don't have a single folder on Akamai* but scatter > your assets across a file system you have the same issue. > > 4) OK, move the point of failure from your control to a cloud solution. > Simpler, probably cheaper, but fair point. > > I don't mean to start a tit-for-tat exchange, just adding some balance. > > Cheerio, > > Mike > > *Other cloud providers are available. > > > On 13 March 2012 17:43, Tihomir Surdilovic <tsurdilo(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > >> I think you have very valid points. IMO just: >> 1) There should not be a limitation exposed on users to have to have >> Guvnor (and thus a J2EE server) running in order to host static files >> (service repo). >> 2) Guvnor assets are divided into packages, if you lets say have a >> "serviceRepo" package and from what I can tell you say build it and expose >> a pkg or zip or whatever, someone on the other end has to understand what a >> pkg file is/isnot or have to know how to unzip etc. >> 3) If you do not have a dedicated guvnor package for your service repo, >> then you need advanced logic to piece together all assets that belong to >> your repo..in the same environment that your users are developing/modelling >> in..not very intuitive imo. >> 4) Let's say you want to use guvnor and this is some sort of >> mission-critical service repo for you, to do this now you need a clustering >> environement of J2EE server(s) and Guvnor running in a cluster all >> connected to a clustered JCR repo..etc etc..instead of just pushing your >> static files to akamai and call it a day :) >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> On 3/13/12 1:32 PM, Mauricio Salatino wrote: >> >> Tiho, a question for you.. why guvnor cannot host a file? I mean.. I'm >> not sure how Porcelli is creating the war files for the services, but we >> can generate something similar right? some meta information, some images, >> some configuration files, etc, when the user or a client like eclipse want >> to get the workitemhandler installed it just create a zip file with all the >> required dependencies and it send that back to the client. In that way we >> will gain versioning, categorization and tagging for free..right? Plus the >> possibility in the future to manage that with a workflow for approvals if >> we add that for all the other resources. >> Probably I'm missing something but I don't understand what is the Guvnor >> limitation to host files or descriptors, we are already doing that for >> spring beans configs. >> >> Cheers >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Tihomir Surdilovic < >> tsurdilo(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >> >>> I'm not sure if Guvnor is the best place for it - because assets that >>> are stored in Guvnor are not very portable as a "unit" outside of Guvnor. I >>> would rather make it in a way work like maven -> users can specify the >>> "parent" repository which can be one that we provide for the community with >>> all out-of-the-box services nodes and run mvn clean install which will >>> build their local repo that they can expose on any public domain or server >>> they wish, any way they wish..just my 2c. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/13/12 12:11 PM, Mauricio Salatino wrote: >>> >>> At some point those definitions should be stored in guvnor right? Until >>> now I think it's just a folder with some meta-data files to define what is >>> in there, but I think that it really make sense to put that functionality >>> inside guvnor that is a fully fledged repository right? >>> Guvnor already provide the APIs to push resources, and we definitely >>> need to add a kind of workflow for resources.. but it's not there yet. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Giovanni Marigi <gmarigi(a)redhat.com&gt;wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I would like to know the status of service task repository; >>>> I really appreciate the idea behind it and delivering some POC, >>>> customers were really enthusiastic about this feature (especially its >>>> integration with jbpm designer and BRMS) but it seems that the actual repo >>>> doesn't have some new effort. >>>> Will we provide API to push service tasks to the repository? I think >>>> it should be useful to provide some mechanism to approve a new service task >>>> before to make it public. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Giovanni >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Giovanni Marigi >>>> Red Hat - JBoss Consultant - >>>> email: gmarigi(a)redhat.com >>>> Mobile: +39 3423175986 <%2B39%203423175986> >>>> Office: +39 0687502315 <%2B39%200687502315> >>>> >>>> Red Hat Italy >>>> Via Andrea Doria 41m >>>> 00192 Roma - Italy >>>> www.redhat.com >>>> >>>> Prima di stampare, pensa all'ambiente ** Think about the environment >>>> before printing >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> jbpm-dev mailing list >>>> jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com >>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org >>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >>> >>> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio - >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> jbpm-dev mailing listjbpm-dev@lists.jboss.orghttps://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com >> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org >> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >> >> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio - >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> jbpm-dev mailing list >> jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev >> >> > -- - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio -

Yes.. I was thinking as a light way component, POJO based decoupled from the rest of the WEB application that can be started without the need of a servlet container.. But I think that we went off the topic completely :) Cheers On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Michael Anstis <michael.anstis(a)gmail.com > wrote: > Well, there is guvnor-repository that provides low level operations to > (in theory) a Guvnor repository. However all our classes, integrity logic > and means to expose it as an external service (ie REST, WebDav) are AFAIK > in guvnor-webapp-core which you can't deploy outside of a container.... but > this, in theory, could be split into different modules to provide better > access. I am sure you appreciate exposing REST needs a container however > WebDav might not. IDK. > > sent on the move > > On 13 Mar 2012 22:24, "Mauricio Salatino" <salaboy(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > >> Michael, do you know if you can bootstrap the JCR container without a >> container? I think that it should be possible.. to have like a repository >> guvnor without all the UI. We should think about that option too right? >> Cheers >> >> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Michael Anstis < >> michael.anstis(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >> >>> Yes, I agree largely with what you say, but to add a little balance I >>> thought I'd respond too ;) >>> >>> 1) Technically, Guvnor doesn't need a J2EE server, just a Servlet >>> container so Tomcat does the job just fine. >>> >>> 2) AFAIK, you can download individual assets source from Guvnor with >>> the REST API. If you pushed a package file to Akamai* you have the same >>> issue. >>> >>> 3) Fair point. If you don't have a single folder on Akamai* but scatter >>> your assets across a file system you have the same issue. >>> >>> 4) OK, move the point of failure from your control to a cloud solution. >>> Simpler, probably cheaper, but fair point. >>> >>> I don't mean to start a tit-for-tat exchange, just adding some balance. >>> >>> Cheerio, >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> *Other cloud providers are available. >>> >>> >>> On 13 March 2012 17:43, Tihomir Surdilovic <tsurdilo(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> I think you have very valid points. IMO just: >>>> 1) There should not be a limitation exposed on users to have to have >>>> Guvnor (and thus a J2EE server) running in order to host static files >>>> (service repo). >>>> 2) Guvnor assets are divided into packages, if you lets say have a >>>> "serviceRepo" package and from what I can tell you say build it and expose >>>> a pkg or zip or whatever, someone on the other end has to understand what a >>>> pkg file is/isnot or have to know how to unzip etc. >>>> 3) If you do not have a dedicated guvnor package for your service >>>> repo, then you need advanced logic to piece together all assets that belong >>>> to your repo..in the same environment that your users are >>>> developing/modelling in..not very intuitive imo. >>>> 4) Let's say you want to use guvnor and this is some sort of >>>> mission-critical service repo for you, to do this now you need a clustering >>>> environement of J2EE server(s) and Guvnor running in a cluster all >>>> connected to a clustered JCR repo..etc etc..instead of just pushing your >>>> static files to akamai and call it a day :) >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3/13/12 1:32 PM, Mauricio Salatino wrote: >>>> >>>> Tiho, a question for you.. why guvnor cannot host a file? I mean.. I'm >>>> not sure how Porcelli is creating the war files for the services, but we >>>> can generate something similar right? some meta information, some images, >>>> some configuration files, etc, when the user or a client like eclipse want >>>> to get the workitemhandler installed it just create a zip file with all the >>>> required dependencies and it send that back to the client. In that way we >>>> will gain versioning, categorization and tagging for free..right? Plus the >>>> possibility in the future to manage that with a workflow for approvals if >>>> we add that for all the other resources. >>>> Probably I'm missing something but I don't understand what is the >>>> Guvnor limitation to host files or descriptors, we are already doing that >>>> for spring beans configs. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Tihomir Surdilovic < >>>> tsurdilo(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm not sure if Guvnor is the best place for it - because assets >>>>> that are stored in Guvnor are not very portable as a "unit" outside of >>>>> Guvnor. I would rather make it in a way work like maven -> users can >>>>> specify the "parent" repository which can be one that we provide for the >>>>> community with all out-of-the-box services nodes and run mvn clean install >>>>> which will build their local repo that they can expose on any public domain >>>>> or server they wish, any way they wish..just my 2c. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 3/13/12 12:11 PM, Mauricio Salatino wrote: >>>>> >>>>> At some point those definitions should be stored in guvnor right? >>>>> Until now I think it's just a folder with some meta-data files to define >>>>> what is in there, but I think that it really make sense to put that >>>>> functionality inside guvnor that is a fully fledged repository right? >>>>> Guvnor already provide the APIs to push resources, and we definitely >>>>> need to add a kind of workflow for resources.. but it's not there yet. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Giovanni Marigi <gmarigi(a)redhat.com&gt;wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> I would like to know the status of service task repository; >>>>>> I really appreciate the idea behind it and delivering some POC, >>>>>> customers were really enthusiastic about this feature (especially its >>>>>> integration with jbpm designer and BRMS) but it seems that the actual repo >>>>>> doesn't have some new effort. >>>>>> Will we provide API to push service tasks to the repository? I think >>>>>> it should be useful to provide some mechanism to approve a new service task >>>>>> before to make it public. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Giovanni >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Giovanni Marigi >>>>>> Red Hat - JBoss Consultant - >>>>>> email: gmarigi(a)redhat.com >>>>>> Mobile: +39 3423175986 <%2B39%203423175986> >>>>>> Office: +39 0687502315 <%2B39%200687502315> >>>>>> >>>>>> Red Hat Italy >>>>>> Via Andrea Doria 41m >>>>>> 00192 Roma - Italy >>>>>> www.redhat.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Prima di stampare, pensa all'ambiente ** Think about the environment >>>>>> before printing >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> jbpm-dev mailing list >>>>>> jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com >>>>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org >>>>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >>>>> >>>>> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio - >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> jbpm-dev mailing listjbpm-dev@lists.jboss.orghttps://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com >>>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org >>>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >>>> >>>> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio - >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> jbpm-dev mailing list >>>> jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com >> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org >> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >> >> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio - >> >> -- - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio -

All good points :) I think sometimes people forget that I am a big promoter of Guvnor and always have been. That said however Guvnor IMO is not a CMS and is not very well suitable for HA of static content (or really HA of any content as it is right now, I'm sure this will be much better in the future). Thanks. On 3/13/12 6:20 PM, Michael Anstis wrote: Yes, I agree largely with what you say, but to add a little balance I thought I'd respond too ;) 1) Technically, Guvnor doesn't need a J2EE server, just a Servlet container so Tomcat does the job just fine. 2) AFAIK, you can download individual assets source from Guvnor with the REST API. If you pushed a package file to Akamai* you have the same issue. 3) Fair point. If you don't have a single folder on Akamai* but scatter your assets across a file system you have the same issue. 4) OK, move the point of failure from your control to a cloud solution. Simpler, probably cheaper, but fair point. I don't mean to start a tit-for-tat exchange, just adding some balance. Cheerio, Mike *Other cloud providers are available. On 13 March 2012 17:43, Tihomir Surdilovic <tsurdilo(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > I think you have very valid points. IMO just: > 1) There should not be a limitation exposed on users to have to have > Guvnor (and thus a J2EE server) running in order to host static files > (service repo). > 2) Guvnor assets are divided into packages, if you lets say have a > "serviceRepo" package and from what I can tell you say build it and expose > a pkg or zip or whatever, someone on the other end has to understand what a > pkg file is/isnot or have to know how to unzip etc. > 3) If you do not have a dedicated guvnor package for your service repo, > then you need advanced logic to piece together all assets that belong to > your repo..in the same environment that your users are developing/modelling > in..not very intuitive imo. > 4) Let's say you want to use guvnor and this is some sort of > mission-critical service repo for you, to do this now you need a clustering > environement of J2EE server(s) and Guvnor running in a cluster all > connected to a clustered JCR repo..etc etc..instead of just pushing your > static files to akamai and call it a day :) > > Thanks. > > > On 3/13/12 1:32 PM, Mauricio Salatino wrote: > > Tiho, a question for you.. why guvnor cannot host a file? I mean.. I'm > not sure how Porcelli is creating the war files for the services, but we > can generate something similar right? some meta information, some images, > some configuration files, etc, when the user or a client like eclipse want > to get the workitemhandler installed it just create a zip file with all the > required dependencies and it send that back to the client. In that way we > will gain versioning, categorization and tagging for free..right? Plus the > possibility in the future to manage that with a workflow for approvals if > we add that for all the other resources. > Probably I'm missing something but I don't understand what is the Guvnor > limitation to host files or descriptors, we are already doing that for > spring beans configs. > > Cheers > > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Tihomir Surdilovic <tsurdilo(a)redhat.com > > wrote: > >> I'm not sure if Guvnor is the best place for it - because assets that >> are stored in Guvnor are not very portable as a "unit" outside of Guvnor. I >> would rather make it in a way work like maven -> users can specify the >> "parent" repository which can be one that we provide for the community with >> all out-of-the-box services nodes and run mvn clean install which will >> build their local repo that they can expose on any public domain or server >> they wish, any way they wish..just my 2c. >> >> >> >> On 3/13/12 12:11 PM, Mauricio Salatino wrote: >> >> At some point those definitions should be stored in guvnor right? Until >> now I think it's just a folder with some meta-data files to define what is >> in there, but I think that it really make sense to put that functionality >> inside guvnor that is a fully fledged repository right? >> Guvnor already provide the APIs to push resources, and we definitely >> need to add a kind of workflow for resources.. but it's not there yet. >> >> Cheers >> >> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Giovanni Marigi <gmarigi(a)redhat.com&gt;wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> I would like to know the status of service task repository; >>> I really appreciate the idea behind it and delivering some POC, >>> customers were really enthusiastic about this feature (especially its >>> integration with jbpm designer and BRMS) but it seems that the actual repo >>> doesn't have some new effort. >>> Will we provide API to push service tasks to the repository? I think it >>> should be useful to provide some mechanism to approve a new service task >>> before to make it public. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Giovanni >>> >>> -- >>> Giovanni Marigi >>> Red Hat - JBoss Consultant - >>> email: gmarigi(a)redhat.com >>> Mobile: +39 3423175986 >>> Office: +39 0687502315 >>> >>> Red Hat Italy >>> Via Andrea Doria 41m >>> 00192 Roma - Italy >>> www.redhat.com >>> >>> Prima di stampare, pensa all'ambiente ** Think about the environment >>> before printing >>> _______________________________________________ >>> jbpm-dev mailing list >>> jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com >> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org >> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >> >> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio - >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> jbpm-dev mailing listjbpm-dev@lists.jboss.orghttps://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev >> >> >> > > > -- > - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com > - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org > - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar > > - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio - > > > > _______________________________________________ > jbpm-dev mailing list > jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev > >

Kris, I was wondering why the workitems included in the jbpm-workitems module are not in the repo :-) some of them are really useful and I took inspiration from the java handler to create a EJB work item. I don't know if it's too much risky but opening it to the community with a kind of "open" API to publish servie tasks, maybe can give even more enthusiasm to jbpm 5.x Another point; I think the old jbpm 3 suffered from the lack of "adapters"; if there is a maintained and public repo with service tasks I think even the integration between jbpm and external systems can be easier. Giovanni ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Verlaenen" <kverlaen(a)redhat.com&gt; To: "Giovanni Marigi" <gmarigi(a)redhat.com&gt; Cc: jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:23:32 PM Subject: Re: [jbpm-dev] [JBPM 5.x] service task repository Giovanni, You are right, the current repo hasn't been extended to include the other service tasks that are already implemented in the jbpm-workitems module. Some of them have already been configured, documented and tested and should just be uploaded, I'll try to do that asap. We have made it an action item that every team member contributes a service task to the repository once in a while. We would also welcome contributions. There is no predefined automated process there, but we would like to evaluate if JIRA might be used for this purpose (where the necessary files are attached, we review and add to the repository). But we welcome any feedback. The service repository integration currently is based on a defined directory structure that allows us to figure out which services are available. If you set up your own repository (local or HTTP), you can easily control access to it. At this point, we don't have a management process to automate this, since developing service tasks like this is probably a job for developers, and they usually don't have any problems to upload completed service tasks to a directory somewhere. But again, feel free to provide feedback. Kris ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "Giovanni Marigi" <gmarigi(a)redhat.com&gt; Aan: jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org Verzonden: Dinsdag 13 maart 2012 17:08:11 Onderwerp: [jbpm-dev] [JBPM 5.x] service task repository Hi, I would like to know the status of service task repository; I really appreciate the idea behind it and delivering some POC, customers were really enthusiastic about this feature (especially its integration with jbpm designer and BRMS) but it seems that the actual repo doesn't have some new effort. Will we provide API to push service tasks to the repository? I think it should be useful to provide some mechanism to approve a new service task before to make it public. Thanks, Giovanni -- Giovanni Marigi Red Hat - JBoss Consultant - email: gmarigi(a)redhat.com Mobile: +39 3423175986 Office: +39 0687502315 Red Hat Italy Via Andrea Doria 41m 00192 Roma - Italy www.redhat.com Prima di stampare, pensa all'ambiente ** Think about the environment before printing _______________________________________________ jbpm-dev mailing list jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev -- Giovanni Marigi Red Hat - JBoss Consultant - email: gmarigi(a)redhat.com Mobile: +39 3423175986 Office: +39 0687502315 Red Hat Italy Via Andrea Doria 41m 00192 Roma - Italy www.redhat.com Prima di stampare, pensa all'ambiente ** Think about the environment before printing _______________________________________________ jbpm-dev mailing list jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev

I'm actually making sure that the service tasks on the repository also contain the source code (of the handlers), so each module is like a separate unit, with all dependencies etc. But with github we would get collaboration and compilation / dependency resolution (using maven) basically for free, so I like the idea. Kris ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "Mauricio Salatino" <salaboy(a)gmail.com&gt; Aan: "Giovanni Marigi" <gmarigi(a)redhat.com&gt; Cc: "Kris Verlaenen" <kverlaen(a)redhat.com&gt;, jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org Verzonden: Dinsdag 13 maart 2012 20:34:53 Onderwerp: Re: [jbpm-dev] [JBPM 5.x] service task repository Yes, I was thinking about that too.. I think that the folder+http access is OK for now and I understand tihomir points on the matter, but if we will keep it in that way, what about having a public github repository with all the source code and the compiled version in the same place. To keep them separate from the jBPM source code.. allowing easy compilation and collaboration from the open source community. My two cents.. Cheers On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Giovanni Marigi < gmarigi(a)redhat.com > wrote: Kris, I was wondering why the workitems included in the jbpm-workitems module are not in the repo :-) some of them are really useful and I took inspiration from the java handler to create a EJB work item. I don't know if it's too much risky but opening it to the community with a kind of "open" API to publish servie tasks, maybe can give even more enthusiasm to jbpm 5.x Another point; I think the old jbpm 3 suffered from the lack of "adapters"; if there is a maintained and public repo with service tasks I think even the integration between jbpm and external systems can be easier. Giovanni ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Verlaenen" < kverlaen(a)redhat.com > To: "Giovanni Marigi" < gmarigi(a)redhat.com > Cc: jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:23:32 PM Subject: Re: [jbpm-dev] [JBPM 5.x] service task repository Giovanni, You are right, the current repo hasn't been extended to include the other service tasks that are already implemented in the jbpm-workitems module. Some of them have already been configured, documented and tested and should just be uploaded, I'll try to do that asap. We have made it an action item that every team member contributes a service task to the repository once in a while. We would also welcome contributions. There is no predefined automated process there, but we would like to evaluate if JIRA might be used for this purpose (where the necessary files are attached, we review and add to the repository). But we welcome any feedback. The service repository integration currently is based on a defined directory structure that allows us to figure out which services are available. If you set up your own repository (local or HTTP), you can easily control access to it. At this point, we don't have a management process to automate this, since developing service tasks like this is probably a job for developers, and they usually don't have any problems to upload completed service tasks to a directory somewhere. But again, feel free to provide feedback. Kris ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "Giovanni Marigi" < gmarigi(a)redhat.com > Aan: jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org Verzonden: Dinsdag 13 maart 2012 17:08:11 Onderwerp: [jbpm-dev] [JBPM 5.x] service task repository Hi, I would like to know the status of service task repository; I really appreciate the idea behind it and delivering some POC, customers were really enthusiastic about this feature (especially its integration with jbpm designer and BRMS) but it seems that the actual repo doesn't have some new effort. Will we provide API to push service tasks to the repository? I think it should be useful to provide some mechanism to approve a new service task before to make it public. Thanks, Giovanni -- Giovanni Marigi Red Hat - JBoss Consultant - email: gmarigi(a)redhat.com Mobile: +39 3423175986 Office: +39 0687502315 Red Hat Italy Via Andrea Doria 41m 00192 Roma - Italy www.redhat.com Prima di stampare, pensa all'ambiente ** Think about the environment before printing _______________________________________________ jbpm-dev mailing list jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev -- Giovanni Marigi Red Hat - JBoss Consultant - email: gmarigi(a)redhat.com Mobile: +39 3423175986 Office: +39 0687502315 Red Hat Italy Via Andrea Doria 41m 00192 Roma - Italy www.redhat.com Prima di stampare, pensa all'ambiente ** Think about the environment before printing _______________________________________________ jbpm-dev mailing list jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev -- - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio -