They also said that the older jsr-314-open messages could be injected into this forum so we would not lose anything.

I'm still awaiting specific details about the new process and what we need to do to rectify the situation, but it may mean we change from jsr-314-open to jsr-314-public. I will let you know as soon as I find out more.

* jsr-xxx-public: this is a board to which any registered user can post. Some Expert Groups may choose to use these boards for their primary communication on the JSR's development. As an alternative to viewing the long list of all boards, you can also get to a given JSR's public board by clicking the "jsr-xxx-public" link on the JSR's summary page. * jsr-xxx-observers: this is a board to which any registered user may request to be added, to which the JSR's Spec Lead and experts are automatically subscribed. Some Expert Groups may choose to use these boards for their primary communication on the JSR's development, while still others may use it as a mechanism for providing updates to the particularly interested members of the community. To request to be added to a JSR's observer board, use the Observers board request form to ask to be added to the board. * jsr-xxx-eg: this is a board that is private to the Specification Lead(s) and Expert Group members for that JSR. Some Expert Groups may choose to use these boards for their primary communication on the JSR's development, using the others as mechanisms for community updates.

Using the boards via e-mail Many Expert Groups wish to conduct their communications primarily through e-mail. Both the observers and EG-private boards also generate e-mail messages. This allows the people using those boards to choose to use either the board's web interface, or just to interact with the board via e-mail, where it functions like a standard mailing list, or some combination of the two. For instance, if you are on the Expert Group for JSR 500, you could send mail to jsr-500-eg(a)jcp.org. This message would be distributed to everyone else on the Expert Group via e-mail, as well as being entered in the discussion board for future reference.

Andy Schwartz wrote: > Hey Roger - > > Thanks for your efforts in tracking this down. > > Roger Kitain wrote: >> They also said that the older jsr-314-open messages could be injected >> into this forum so we >> would not lose anything. > > That's great news! > >> >> I'm still awaiting specific >> details about the new process and what we need to do to rectify the >> situation, but it may mean >> we change from jsr-314-open to jsr-314-public. I will let you know as >> soon as I find out more. > > Taking a look at the following info from the jcp site: > > http://jcp.org/en/introduction/intro#boards > > We have access to a 3 discussion boards: > >> * jsr-xxx-public: this is a board to which any registered user can >> post. Some Expert Groups may choose to use these boards for their >> primary communication on the JSR's development. As an alternative to >> viewing the long list of all boards, you can also get to a given >> JSR's public board by clicking the "jsr-xxx-public" link on the JSR's >> summary page. >> * jsr-xxx-observers: this is a board to which any registered user may >> request to be added, to which the JSR's Spec Lead and experts are >> automatically subscribed. Some Expert Groups may choose to use these >> boards for their primary communication on the JSR's development, >> while still others may use it as a mechanism for providing updates to >> the particularly interested members of the community. To request to >> be added to a JSR's observer board, use the Observers board request >> form to ask to be added to the board. >> * jsr-xxx-eg: this is a board that is private to the Specification >> Lead(s) and Expert Group members for that JSR. Some Expert Groups may >> choose to use these boards for their primary communication on the >> JSR's development, using the others as mechanisms for community updates. > > Seems like we would want to perform the following mapping > > jsr-314-comments is replaced by jsr-314-public. > jsr-314-open is replaced by jsr-314-observers. > jsr-314-eg stays the same (which is not really in use at this point). Yes, based on that information that mapping appears to be what we could use. > > Note that there is some degree of email support available: > >> Using the boards via e-mail >> Many Expert Groups wish to conduct their communications primarily >> through e-mail. Both the observers and EG-private boards also >> generate e-mail messages. This allows the people using those boards >> to choose to use either the board's web interface, or just to >> interact with the board via e-mail, where it functions like a >> standard mailing list, or some combination of the two. For instance, >> if you are on the Expert Group for JSR 500, you could send mail to >> jsr-500-eg(a)jcp.org. This message would be distributed to everyone >> else on the Expert Group via e-mail, as well as being entered in the >> discussion board for future reference. > > But apparently no email love for jsr-314-public. Roger - any chance > you could raise this limitation with your jcp contact? Ideally we > would like email access to the public forum. Yes. That certainly does appear to be n unfortunate limitation. Let's see what we can do about it. > > Andy >

This is one of the big reasons we'd like to see some work done here. There needs to be a central place for information / communication on JSF, so that the community can participate more freely.

On a related note.... As some of you may know, the EG archive mechanism for our EG emails has been broken. In other words, any emails sent to jsr-314-open alias have not been archived in our well known familiar place. I just got off the phone with a JCP individual about this. It appears that this started happening around June when the JCP went through a makeover of their site. The gist of it is that the archiving mechanism has been replaced forum based mechanism: http://wiki.jcp.org/boards/index.php?b=jsr-314-public So any emails sent to jsr-314-public would (or should) show up here. They also said that the older jsr-314-open messages could be injected into this forum so we would not lose anything. I'm still awaiting specific details about the new process and what we need to do to rectify the situation, but it may mean we change from jsr-314-open to jsr-314-public. I will let you know as soon as I find out more. -roger Ed Burns wrote: > On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:00:28 +0100, Pete Muir <pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; said: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> > PM> On 18 Sep 2009, at 00:09, Dan Allen wrote: > > > >> Our first choice for request #1 is to allow all subscribed members of >>> the jsr-314-open list to post, with moderation of a person's inaugural post >>> (webbeans-dev uses this approach, for instance). The second choice would be >>> to have a separate list open to the community. In either case, both lists >>> should satisfy request #2. >>> >>> >> > PM> My preference would be for there to be two email lists, both with PM> > public, non-password-protected, archives. The first is the EG list. PM> The > second is the a discussion list. A regular member of the EG can PM> post > unmoderated to either list. Any subscriber can post to the PM> discussion > list. If a member of the community is an expert on a PM> particular > sub-topic, we should pull them into the EG list, using PM> moderation to > allow their posts through. > > I like Pete's suggestion. Dan, is the lack of email gateway the only > roadblock to using the existing facility on the new jcp.org site? > > Ed > > >