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Handle errors from sending mail
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Key: SEAMMAIL-1
URL: https://jira.jboss.org/browse/SEAMMAIL-1
Project: Seam Mail
Issue Type: Feature Request
Reporter: Pete Muir
Another thing the current implementation does is render and send at
the same
time. This is a bad idea as well. You'd generally want to save the rendered?
email, and retry on send errors.
Email has two types of errors, those that the MTA will automatically retry for, and those
that cause bounces. If you are referring to bounces, how do you process the bounces?
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Cody Lerum commented on SEAMMAIL-1:
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The only two errors that I can think of that would be in the scope of this would be
1. If the smtp server is down. This probably should be handled as adding a backup relay
server. I don't think it makes sense to turn seam into a full blown mail relay server
which queues messages
2. If the message if malformed (invalid email address ?) and the relay server rejects it.
Handle errors from sending mail
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Key: SEAMMAIL-1
URL: https://jira.jboss.org/browse/SEAMMAIL-1
Project: Seam Mail
Issue Type: Feature Request
Reporter: Pete Muir
> Another thing the current implementation does is render and send at the same
> time. This is a bad idea as well. You'd generally want to save the rendered?
> email, and retry on send errors.
Email has two types of errors, those that the MTA will automatically retry for, and those
that cause bounces. If you are referring to bounces, how do you process the bounces?
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Pete Muir commented on SEAMMAIL-1:
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Yes, (2) and (1) will bubble up as an exception which should be handled by Seam's
exception handling.
What about the case the error comes from another MTA in the chain. I think typically a
user would intercept that error, and ask the system to resend a message. This is
definitely a common use case, and something we should make easy. I think if we could
persist mail messages somehow, this would go a long way to making this easy.
Handle errors from sending mail
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Key: SEAMMAIL-1
URL: https://jira.jboss.org/browse/SEAMMAIL-1
Project: Seam Mail
Issue Type: Feature Request
Reporter: Pete Muir
> Another thing the current implementation does is render and send at the same
> time. This is a bad idea as well. You'd generally want to save the rendered?
> email, and retry on send errors.
Email has two types of errors, those that the MTA will automatically retry for, and those
that cause bounces. If you are referring to bounces, how do you process the bounces?
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Cody Lerum commented on SEAMMAIL-1:
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So basically this just overlaps with SEAMMAIL-5 thus storing the messages via JPA so the
user could write their own logic to select a message from the DB and resend it.
Or are you suggesting that seam be checking the email box for the from address to read and
act upon the NDR messages sent by downstream MTAs possibly days after the original email
was sent?
Handle errors from sending mail
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Key: SEAMMAIL-1
URL: https://jira.jboss.org/browse/SEAMMAIL-1
Project: Seam Mail
Issue Type: Feature Request
Reporter: Pete Muir
> Another thing the current implementation does is render and send at the same
> time. This is a bad idea as well. You'd generally want to save the rendered?
> email, and retry on send errors.
Email has two types of errors, those that the MTA will automatically retry for, and those
that cause bounces. If you are referring to bounces, how do you process the bounces?
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Pete Muir commented on SEAMMAIL-1:
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I would like input from Nikolay who instigated this discussion, but basically, I think
solving SEAMMAIL-5 and perhaps providing a built-in view controller should be sufficient.
I don't think Seam (at least for now) should be doing stuff like reading email boxes
etc.
Handle errors from sending mail
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Key: SEAMMAIL-1
URL: https://jira.jboss.org/browse/SEAMMAIL-1
Project: Seam Mail
Issue Type: Feature Request
Reporter: Pete Muir
> Another thing the current implementation does is render and send at the same
> time. This is a bad idea as well. You'd generally want to save the rendered?
> email, and retry on send errors.
Email has two types of errors, those that the MTA will automatically retry for, and those
that cause bounces. If you are referring to bounces, how do you process the bounces?
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Cody Lerum commented on SEAMMAIL-1:
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we are on the same page then.
Handle errors from sending mail
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Key: SEAMMAIL-1
URL: https://jira.jboss.org/browse/SEAMMAIL-1
Project: Seam Mail
Issue Type: Feature Request
Reporter: Pete Muir
> Another thing the current implementation does is render and send at the same
> time. This is a bad idea as well. You'd generally want to save the rendered?
> email, and retry on send errors.
Email has two types of errors, those that the MTA will automatically retry for, and those
that cause bounces. If you are referring to bounces, how do you process the bounces?
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Nikolay Elenkov commented on SEAMMAIL-1:
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Not referring to bounces. Just failed connection to mail server (auth failed, server
overloaded, etc.) . In any case, making it hard to find out what the error is not good.
And I am not saying 'handle errors for my', I am saying 'let me see what the
error is so that I can take appropriate action.
Handle errors from sending mail
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Key: SEAMMAIL-1
URL: https://jira.jboss.org/browse/SEAMMAIL-1
Project: Seam Mail
Issue Type: Feature Request
Reporter: Pete Muir
> Another thing the current implementation does is render and send at the same
> time. This is a bad idea as well. You'd generally want to save the rendered?
> email, and retry on send errors.
Email has two types of errors, those that the MTA will automatically retry for, and those
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Nikolay Elenkov commented on SEAMMAIL-1:
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Is it possible to edit comments?
I don't expect Seam to handle all errors, or read mail boxes and resend. Just break
the process into steps, and throw intuitive exceptions, so that developers can handle
errors as appropriate.
Right now you get a FacesException, and that's far from intuitive.
Handle errors from sending mail
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Key: SEAMMAIL-1
URL: https://jira.jboss.org/browse/SEAMMAIL-1
Project: Seam Mail
Issue Type: Feature Request
Reporter: Pete Muir
> Another thing the current implementation does is render and send at the same
> time. This is a bad idea as well. You'd generally want to save the rendered?
> email, and retry on send errors.
Email has two types of errors, those that the MTA will automatically retry for, and those
that cause bounces. If you are referring to bounces, how do you process the bounces?
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Cody Lerum updated SEAMMAIL-1:
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Fix Version/s: 3.0.0.Alpha1
Handle errors from sending mail
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Key: SEAMMAIL-1
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMMAIL-1
Project: Seam Mail
Issue Type: Feature Request
Reporter: Pete Muir
Fix For: 3.0.0.Alpha1
> Another thing the current implementation does is render and send at the same
> time. This is a bad idea as well. You'd generally want to save the rendered?
> email, and retry on send errors.
Email has two types of errors, those that the MTA will automatically retry for, and those
that cause bounces. If you are referring to bounces, how do you process the bounces?
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Cody Lerum reassigned SEAMMAIL-1:
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Assignee: Cody Lerum
Handle errors from sending mail
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Key: SEAMMAIL-1
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMMAIL-1
Project: Seam Mail
Issue Type: Feature Request
Reporter: Pete Muir
Assignee: Cody Lerum
Fix For: 3.0.0.Alpha1
> Another thing the current implementation does is render and send at the same
> time. This is a bad idea as well. You'd generally want to save the rendered?
> email, and retry on send errors.
Email has two types of errors, those that the MTA will automatically retry for, and those
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Cody Lerum closed SEAMMAIL-1.
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Resolution: Done
Handle errors from sending mail
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Key: SEAMMAIL-1
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SEAMMAIL-1
Project: Seam Mail
Issue Type: Feature Request
Reporter: Pete Muir
Assignee: Cody Lerum
Fix For: 3.0.0.Alpha1
> Another thing the current implementation does is render and send at the same
> time. This is a bad idea as well. You'd generally want to save the rendered?
> email, and retry on send errors.
Email has two types of errors, those that the MTA will automatically retry for, and those
that cause bounces. If you are referring to bounces, how do you process the bounces?
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