Some time, way back in the MetaMatrix days, we changed our nomenclature to refer to "view" instead of "virtual" models. I see the word "virtual" creeping back a bit. Personally, I prefer "virtual" since "view" can be verb-ish. Yes, they are kinda like views in the database world. Anyway, Jopr lists these models as "virtual". Is that politically correct? Sent from my Fedora laptop :-P ------- Paul Nittel JBoss Sr. Quality Assurance Engineer Red Hat, Inc. 314-336-2907 (81-62907) Delivering value year after year. Red Hat ranks #1 in value among software vendors. http://www.redhat.com/promo/vendor/