Re: [aerogear-dev] WebSocket and AeroGear ?

On Dec 17, 2012, at 3:08 PM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: > On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Jay Balunas <jbalunas(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >> This is similar to what I was thinking as well. >> >> There are two main types of push; native & non-native, but I don't like those designations. It is really more like "live" & "background" push, referring to the state of the client. >> >> Live push == Application is open, and active on the client. Push msgs are routed to the application via more traditional long/short polling, websockets, etc... >> >> Background push == Application is closed, and not active on the client. Regular live push messages are not possible. The only way to communicate is via APN, GC native messaging (sorry web apps - no love). >> >> In an ideal world there would be no difference to the application developer using AeroGear API's (client or server). The server-side would know what clients are available, and the clients would be listening automatically. Sending a message would be agnostic for the server-side. >> >> Unfortunately this can not "fully" be the case as background/native messages have limitations on the content, client support, and delivery mechanisms. > > one option is, to "push / poll". The client gets a msg on what to > fetch. When back online it performs a "normal" fetch/poll for the data > in question +1 - I've seen that sort of thing as an option for native push - its really just a phone call to tell the app it has an email - go read it :-) > >> So I think the best we can do is setup a "smart" message system that gets you pretty close with good fallback api's and checks for what sort of messages are possible, or configured. >> >> Make sense, or is this just a big ramble? :-) >> >> -Jay >> >> On Dec 5, 2012, at 2:14 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: >> >>> well, >>> >>> the idea is to have a wrapper/hook for "push notification" (e.g. APN) >>> in the notifier as well: >>> * receiving 'native push' events, when the app is offline (inactive, >>> not watching the tab/window) >>> >>> If an app is offline, you simple can't receive a websocket frame/msg. >>> So push is needed to tell AG that is needs to fetch data for sync etc. >>> >>> -Matthias >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Burr Sutter <bsutter(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>>> I am concerned about the words "push" and "notifier" as those can become confused with real "push notifications" which we will have to have a client API for in the future. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Dec 3, 2012, at 2:46 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: >>>> >>>>> any further comments? >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Matthias Wessendorf < matzew(a)apache.org&gt; wrote: >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> yesterday some folks of the team meet, to talk about WebSocket - more >>>>>> generally (HTML5) connectivity. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here is a write-up from the meeting: >>>>>> https://gist.github.com/dd6e3c2da08830776996 >>>>>> >>>>>> Feedback and comments are welcome - Please use the comment function on >>>>>> that gist! >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers! >>>>>> Matthias >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Matthias Wessendorf >>>>>> >>>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >>>>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >>>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Matthias Wessendorf >>>>> >>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >>>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Matthias Wessendorf >>> >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >> > > > > -- > Matthias Wessendorf > > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf _______________________________________________ aerogear-dev mailing list aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev