Hi,
Response inline.
Regards,
---
Yavuz Selim Yilmaz
SUNY at Buffalo
Computer Science and Engineering
PhD Candidate
On Aug 12, 2013, at 5:27 AM, Corinne Krych <corinnekrych(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Yavuz
Thanks for looking into it with such great details!
My response embedded in your original mail.
++
Corinne
On Aug 10, 2013, at 2:30 AM, Kris Borchers <kris(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> Thanks for this thorough review! These are the types of things I wanted to catch by
doing a good review myself but just haven't had the time with the release coming. I
will gladly go through and fix these when I have time but if you feel up to fixing any of
them, patches welcome. ;)
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Aug 9, 2013, at 6:50 PM, Yavuz Selim YILMAZ <yavuzsel(a)buffalo.edu> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I don't know if this is the correct thread and place to share this. Let me
know if it needs to be somewhere else.
>>
>> Tried
https://github.com/corinnekrych/aerogear.org/tree/AEROGEAR-1285 this branch
on my local, and checked with some devices I have over here. The problems listed below
from my iPod exists for all devices I tested so far (latest versions of Chrome and Safari
for iPod 4th gen and iPhone 5 (on latest iOS), and Chrome and Android Browser for my Nexus
S on Android 4.0.4). More tests and devices will come next week if needed.
>>
>> 0) Menu button seems a little bit more far away from the left side. (have no
screenshot specific to this one, but check item 2 screenshot below).
>>
On phone AeroGear logo is centered whereas on web side, logo is on left. It was a
'design' choice (discussed in this thread)
>>
>> 1) When you tap on the menu icon, it draws a line under the icon.
>>
>>
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7848530/aerogear.org/IMG_0053.PNG
Agreed. I've just removed the underline on hover.
>>
>>
>> 2) That line under the menu icon doesn't go away when the menu is closed.
>>
>>
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7848530/aerogear.org/IMG_0054.PNG
see 1)
>>
>>
>> 3) The same underline appears for the menu items (but as it loads a new page, it
does go with the refresh).
>>
>>
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7848530/aerogear.org/IMG_0058.PNG
I like the effect here. I think it looks nice. Personal view though. I'll be
interested in hearing from Hylke.
>>
>>
>> 4) When side menu is opened, horizontal scroll bar appears, and it scrolls (in a
native app which uses sliding menu like the one we have here, when you tap to the main
view area, it closes the menu, but in our site the main view area remains there and
functional)
>>
>>
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7848530/aerogear.org/IMG_0062.PNG
Interesting point.
The menu CSS are from Topcoat.
Here is an example of menu with Topcoat
http://codepen.io/piatra/pen/ofeDd
Indeed content is shifted. Is it a real problem the shifted aspect on UX point of view?
If so, another interesting fwk to investigate could be
http://sidetap.it/
>>
>>
>> 5) Some of the pages doesn't have a mobile scaled view (like javadoc pages
and community page).
>>
>>
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7848530/aerogear.org/IMG_0056.PNG
Community page is a noble embedded iFrame. Nable provide an API to embed forum in web
site. Their page is quite responsive until a size that would fit tablet (width 640px) but
smaller it doesn't fit anymore.
In the actual
aerogear.org, we have the same problem. It would be nice to do better,
I've opened a JIRA for this. Ideas welcome.
https://issues.jboss.org/browse/AEROGEAR-1300
>>
>>
>> 6) When a page has single word which does not fit to a single line, then
horizontal scroll bar comes:
>>
>>
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7848530/aerogear.org/IMG_0061.PNG
>>
Good catch!
I prefer not to apply break words property (word-break:break-all) on paragraph element in
CSS because for normal text it's not nice to break in a middle of a word. I've
modified the markdown page for this example and put a spec on application: and
didRegister….. (incredible long names in Objective-C).
As Hylke mentions it for correct usage of <h1>, <h2> I would say the same for
long names. Be aware of them in paragraph section. In <pre> section, CSS breaks on
words.
>> 7) Right margin is either not working, or is set to 0 (same for all pages).
>>
>>
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7848530/aerogear.org/IMG_0059.PNG
Hylke did work on adding extra spaces on his branch. PR to be sent.
>>
>>
>> 8) Note field seems a little hard to understand when first looked
("Note" header has same font with the note text and "Note" header
position is not the best IMO)
>>
>>
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7848530/aerogear.org/IMG_0060.PNG
Added CSS for [NOTE].
Table will be display with bold for 'Note' label. label at top of column,
>>
>>
>> 9) Some links don't make sense to have on mobile (e.g. download links)
>>
>>
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7848530/aerogear.org/IMG_0055.PNG
This brings us to Responsive content. Do we want to deliver the same content for small
screen?
I like this post from Bergie:
http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/mobile-first-web/ quoting "Mobile users should get the
same content"
Once again, I'd like to have Hylke's view on that point.
If needed we can open a JIRA for this.
>>
>> 10) (this one is specific to my Android device) Menu items don't appear on
Android Browser (fine on Chrome for Android), but the menu works, i.e. when I tap where
the item supposed to be, it navigates (and actually the menu items appear while loading
the next page, but then again disappear as the next page loads):
>>
>>
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7848530/aerogear.org/Screenshot_2013-...
Puzzled on that one
May I ask you which Android you're on?
@passos do you get into same behaviour?
One thing to know is that the menu is based on Topcoat menu and used CSS3 transition.
Browser has to support CSS3 for best rendering.
I've tested on my old android phone (Android 2.3.3), the transition is not applied
but you see the menu hovering on top of the page, which is still useable.
It's on Nexus S with Android 4.0.4. And it only happens with Android Browser, with
Chrome on the same device it works fine.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> ---
>> Yavuz Selim Yilmaz
>> SUNY at Buffalo
>> Computer Science and Engineering
>> PhD Candidate
>>
>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 1:08 PM, Daniel Passos <daniel(a)passos.me> wrote:
>>
>>> +1 for lean.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Corinne Krych <corinnekrych(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>> +1 for the link, I've updated the PR
>>>
>>> ++
>>> Corinne
>>>
>>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 1:51 PM, Kris Borchers <kris(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1 for lean version.
>>>>
>>>> One thing I noticed is that the "Contribute" link just goes to
github.com/aerogear. I think it would make more sense to link to
http://aerogear.org/docs/guides/Contributing/ and add some info near the top linking to
our github organization. Make sense?
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 4:51 AM, Hylke Bons <hbons(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I like what you did with the "lean" one.
>>>>> There are some spacing changes to make, but overall I prefer that
one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hylke
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 07/08/2013 11:39, Corinne Krych wrote:
>>>>>> Hello Guys
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With Hylke we've been discussing footer recently. I\d like to
know your view on our site footer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you prefer the one complete with all news details (knowing we
already have a news entry in the menu) ? like below
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3bDL8OwQQUdNVYwTlFIajZ4c2M/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or a lean one just with links (no contents of news) like:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3bDL8OwQQUdWjBFU3k5WWEtUk0/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Feedback welcome
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ++
>>>>>> Corinne
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Hylke Bons <hbons(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks again!
>>>>>>> I've pushed the fix to my branch now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hylke
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 06/08/2013 16:53, Corinne Krych wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Hylke
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regarding the issue you had on you fork branch, on
iPhone/Android browsers of the paragraph being shifted to the right. This issue is caused
by this line:
>>>>>>>>
https://github.com/hbons/aerogear.org/blob/AEROGEAR-1285/css/main.css#L389
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Replace
>>>>>>>> .feature {
>>>>>>>> margin: 0 auto;
>>>>>>>> padding: 1em 3em;
>>>>>>>> max-width: 50em;
>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> .feature {
>>>>>>>> margin: 0 auto;
>>>>>>>> padding: 1em 1em;
>>>>>>>> max-width: 50em;
>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>> and remove margin in:
>>>>>>>> .features {
>>>>>>>> /*margin: 3em auto;*/
>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>> and you should get the spec you wanted.
>>>>>>>> Because you're working border-box, padding is taking
extra space out out the box and if there is not enough space in the parent container it
expands. One thing I would advise is: when designing your site, test it on real devices
on iterative steps as often as possible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ++
>>>>>>>> Corinne
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 5, 2013, at 8:32 PM, Kris Borchers
<kborcher(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> +0.5
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I agree the footer was too big but I want to do a
full review of all navigation when i get back before saying +1
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 5, 2013, at 7:34, Corinne Krych
<corinnekrych(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> #agreed on icons not being meaningful, we could
do hyperlinks with text.
>>>>>>>>>> But to keep footer small, let's not put to
much information in the footer. Id you recall we had a huge footer.
>>>>>>>>>> I'd go for a footer that looks like this
one:
>>>>>>>>>>
http://wildfly.org/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wdyt?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Corinne
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 5, 2013, at 1:53 PM, Hylke Bons
<hbons(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Great!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We're nearly there now, I'll fix the
remaining issues today.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I the use of icons in the footer is
problematic. Visitors don't necessarily know what these mean.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For example, where would you go if you want
to report an issue? Not everyone is familiar with Jira and its logo. (You could hover and
get some kind of clue, but you can't do this on touch devices, and it would be
annoying)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So I think we should revert back to just
using text links... The social networks can remain as icons.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hylke
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 05/08/2013 10:14, Corinne Krych wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello All
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> @Hylke, I've integrated your
comments:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. logo is on left on desktop, centred on
phone. I think this was a good comprise to make it look good on desktop and phone.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. menu icon is fixed
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. page padding for paragraph added
>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. I've downloaded the fonts locally
and honestly it improved performance when browsing on devices
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like you to revisit the footer
icons I've added (doc/jira/email/github/irc). It would be nice if they can look like
the twitter/facebook/google+ ones you initially created. wdyt?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> @all, ready for your review guys, PR
sent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ++
>>>>>>>>>>>> Corinne
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 2, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Corinne
Krych <corinnekrych(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Hylke!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've answered your comets below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Taking the latest code in my branch:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://github.com/corinnekrych/aerogear.org/tree/AEROGEAR-1285
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also proposed a solution to
make the footer much smaller. I used images. But, I like to have your designer view on
that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> By tonight i hope to have a general
feeling for the all site. Stay tune.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ++
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Corinne
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 2, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Hylke
Bons <hbons(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks so much for looking into
this Corrine!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just had a look at the
OpenShift instance. It looks good to me responsiveness-wise. I like the menu behaviour.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are still some minor style
issues. If you still have time to look into this that would be great,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise I can take a look at
these be fore we launch the new style:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Logo is centred on the page, it
looks more balanced having it stick to the left.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny, personally and specially on
phone I found centred logo looks more balance. i remember seeing Passos's comments on
this. He actually wanted it centred too. But I guess it's a mater of taste. I can
change. let's see others comments.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - The menu icon is a bit hard to
see (I've attached a quick svg with a colour change, would be nice if we could use
that and have it not change shape)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I changed the icon with a unicode
(triple bar) much easier to see. Pushed all that to my branch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - The news headline ("AG 1.0
is out!") is sticking to the right of the page, it would be better if it kept to the
right, but still in the middle of the page for large screen setups
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - The platform icons seem to
shift a pixel when you hover them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nice catch will fix that. it gives a
bad flickering effect indeed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - There's no page padding
when scaling down, this makes the text paragraphs harder to read, because they touch the
screen edge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Some padding/spacing issue
all-round. This is probably because everything was rebased on Boilerplate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am actually working on all the
other pages. my initial focus was home page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll try to get a local
instance running again and help out with these things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> + 10001
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Together we'll have much power,
thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hylke
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 01/08/2013 06:40, Daniel
Bevenius wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks nice!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31 July 2013 18:57, Bruno
Oliveira <bruno(a)abstractj.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Corinne.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just tried and deployed on
OpenShift
http://site-abstractj.rhcloud.com/. Looks really good, I also tested it with
http://mattkersley.com/responsive/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll try later on
Android, IPhone and IPad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for looking at this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:54
PM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew(a)apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty cool!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just tried your branch and it
looks good on my iPhone 4s and on my Galaxy S II.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Matthias
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:45
PM, Corinne Krych <corinnekrych(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We've been talking about
redesigning our
aerogear.org web site. Hylke has done a great design job. Now, we
'just' want to make it responsive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Out of several proposals:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. use bootstrap (current
version of our site) and apply our custom design
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. use topcoat css and apply
our custom design
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. use HTML5 boilerplate and
apply our custom design and make it responsive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I initially started with
option 1, which might be overkill for a static site.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tried option 2, but here too,
it seems overkill so ended with option 3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using a blank page, I worked
on Home page reapplying Hylke css but:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - removing maximun-scale=1.0
because we want to let people zoom if they wish,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - replacing 'px' unit
to use 'em',
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - centred logo images,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - making sure width is right
otherwise you get screw up with iPhone rotate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - adding media queries (only
2 breakpoints for now, but need to be adjusted with devices tests and your feedbacks)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The main points to sort out
for UX design is the menu bar and the footer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To me, footer is too huge,
even on desktop, could we remove news?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the menu, it looks fine
on tablets format but on phone, it's not really accessible. So I implemented topcoat
swipe menu using CSS3 transform. Is it UX friendly? wdyt?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Feedback welcome,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Work in progress in
https://github.com/corinnekrych/aerogear.org/tree/AEROGEAR-1285
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ++
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Corinne
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blog:
http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sessions:
http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twitter:
http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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