Starting with 3.3 I plan on introducing hibernate-extras, which will be a separate jar which will include code which is un-tested and un- maintained by committers. The impetus for this move is simply to make it clear to users what pieces of functionality are tested in an ongoing fashion and are maintained by the Hibernate committers, versus those which are not. Users should have certain expectations in regards to those which are not (the "extras"). One such expectation is the fact that the quality may or may not be on par with the rest of the codebase; the important point being that we cannot guarentee the quality. Another expectation would be in regards to support for that functionality, and the fact that for whatever reason noone with expertise on those components owns its maintenance; thus improvements and bug-fixes would be expected to be patches from the community (or that someone with a stake in that functionality would stand up and take on its maintenance). The code I currently see being moved there is quite a few of the TransactionManagerLookup impls and some of the Dialects (non- exhaustive): org.hibernate.dialect.DB2390Dialect org.hibernate.dialect.DB2400Dialect org.hibernate.dialect.FirebirdDialect org.hibernate.dialect.FrontBaseDialect org.hibernate.dialect.InformixDialect org.hibernate.dialect.JDataStoreDialect org.hibernate.dialect.MckoiDialect org.hibernate.dialect.MimerSQLDialect org.hibernate.dialect.PointbaseDialect org.hibernate.dialect.ProgressDialect org.hibernate.dialect.RDMSOS2200Dialect org.hibernate.dialect.SAPDBDialect org.hibernate.transaction.BESTransactionManagerLookup org.hibernate.transaction.JOnASTransactionManagerLookup org.hibernate.transaction.JOTMTransactionManagerLookup org.hibernate.transaction.JRun4TransactionManagerLookup org.hibernate.transaction.OC4JTransactionManagerLookup org.hibernate.transaction.OrionTransactionManagerLookup org.hibernate.transaction.WebSphereExtendedJTATransactionLookup org.hibernate.transaction.WebSphereTransactionManagerLookup (this is in addition to the already done splits on trunk) Anyone feel any of the above should remain in the core bundle? Anything else we should move? -- Steve Ebersole Hibernate Project Lead http://hibernate.org Principal Software Engineer http://redhat.com http://jboss.org _______________________________________________ hibernate-dev mailing list hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev

On Monday 12 November 2007 04:04:22 pm Michael Plöd wrote: > Honestly I think that the WebSphere TransactionManager Lookups should > remain in the "core" bundle. I know that it is a pain to test and > maintain but I think that Hibernate is Quote popular in WS > environments Funny, the WS TM lookups are, to me, the epitome of what should get moved ;) And the point is not that "it is a pain to test and maintain"; the point is that it is not tested and is not maintained on a consistent basis, or at all. Do you really think having the classes in one jar or another will make them any less popular or usable? IMO, the thing that is being missed here is the ideal of open- source, which is that someone with a stake in these WS TM lookups steps up and maintains it. > Cheers, > Mike > > Am 12.11.2007 um 22:41 schrieb Steve Ebersole <steve(a)hibernate.org&gt;: >> Starting with 3.3 I plan on introducing hibernate-extras, which will >> be a >> separate jar which will include code which is un-tested and un- >> maintained by >> committers. The impetus for this move is simply to make it clear to >> users >> what pieces of functionality are tested in an ongoing fashion and >> are >> maintained by the Hibernate committers, versus those which are not. >> >> Users should have certain expectations in regards to those which are >> not >> (the "extras"). One such expectation is the fact that the quality >> may or may >> not be on par with the rest of the codebase; the important point >> being that >> we cannot guarentee the quality. Another expectation would be in >> regards to >> support for that functionality, and the fact that for whatever >> reason noone >> with expertise on those components owns its maintenance; thus >> improvements >> and bug-fixes would be expected to be patches from the community (or >> that >> someone with a stake in that functionality would stand up and take >> on its >> maintenance). >> >> The code I currently see being moved there is quite a few of the >> TransactionManagerLookup impls and some of the Dialects (non- >> exhaustive): >> org.hibernate.dialect.DB2390Dialect >> org.hibernate.dialect.DB2400Dialect >> org.hibernate.dialect.FirebirdDialect >> org.hibernate.dialect.FrontBaseDialect >> org.hibernate.dialect.InformixDialect >> org.hibernate.dialect.JDataStoreDialect >> org.hibernate.dialect.MckoiDialect >> org.hibernate.dialect.MimerSQLDialect >> org.hibernate.dialect.PointbaseDialect >> org.hibernate.dialect.ProgressDialect >> org.hibernate.dialect.RDMSOS2200Dialect >> org.hibernate.dialect.SAPDBDialect >> org.hibernate.transaction.BESTransactionManagerLookup >> org.hibernate.transaction.JOnASTransactionManagerLookup >> org.hibernate.transaction.JOTMTransactionManagerLookup >> org.hibernate.transaction.JRun4TransactionManagerLookup >> org.hibernate.transaction.OC4JTransactionManagerLookup >> org.hibernate.transaction.OrionTransactionManagerLookup >> org.hibernate.transaction.WebSphereExtendedJTATransactionLookup >> org.hibernate.transaction.WebSphereTransactionManagerLookup >> >> (this is in addition to the already done splits on trunk) >> >> Anyone feel any of the above should remain in the core bundle? >> Anything else >> we should move? >> >> >> -- >> Steve Ebersole >> >> Hibernate Project Lead >> http://hibernate.org >> >> Principal Software Engineer >> http://redhat.com >> http://jboss.org >> _______________________________________________ >> hibernate-dev mailing list >> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > > _______________________________________________ > hibernate-dev mailing list > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev -- Steve Ebersole Hibernate Project Lead http://hibernate.org Principal Software Engineer http://redhat.com http://jboss.org _______________________________________________ hibernate-dev mailing list hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev

On Monday 12 November 2007 04:04:22 pm Michael Plöd wrote: > Honestly I think that the WebSphere TransactionManager Lookups should > remain in the "core" bundle. I know that it is a pain to test and > maintain but I think that Hibernate is Quote popular in WS > environments Funny, the WS TM lookups are, to me, the epitome of what should get moved ;) And the point is not that "it is a pain to test and maintain"; the point is that it is not tested and is not maintained on a consistent basis, or at all. Do you really think having the classes in one jar or another will make them any less popular or usable? IMO, the thing that is being missed here is the ideal of open- source, which is that someone with a stake in these WS TM lookups steps up and maintains it. > Cheers, > Mike > > Am 12.11.2007 um 22:41 schrieb Steve Ebersole <steve(a)hibernate.org&gt;: >> Starting with 3.3 I plan on introducing hibernate-extras, which will >> be a >> separate jar which will include code which is un-tested and un- >> maintained by >> committers. The impetus for this move is simply to make it clear to >> users >> what pieces of functionality are tested in an ongoing fashion and >> are >> maintained by the Hibernate committers, versus those which are not. >> >> Users should have certain expectations in regards to those which are >> not >> (the "extras"). One such expectation is the fact that the quality >> may or may >> not be on par with the rest of the codebase; the important point >> being that >> we cannot guarentee the quality. Another expectation would be in >> regards to >> support for that functionality, and the fact that for whatever >> reason noone >> with expertise on those components owns its maintenance; thus >> improvements >> and bug-fixes would be expected to be patches from the community (or >> that >> someone with a stake in that functionality would stand up and take >> on its >> maintenance). >> >> The code I currently see being moved there is quite a few of the >> TransactionManagerLookup impls and some of the Dialects (non- >> exhaustive): >> org.hibernate.dialect.DB2390Dialect >> org.hibernate.dialect.DB2400Dialect >> org.hibernate.dialect.FirebirdDialect >> org.hibernate.dialect.FrontBaseDialect >> org.hibernate.dialect.InformixDialect >> org.hibernate.dialect.JDataStoreDialect >> org.hibernate.dialect.MckoiDialect >> org.hibernate.dialect.MimerSQLDialect >> org.hibernate.dialect.PointbaseDialect >> org.hibernate.dialect.ProgressDialect >> org.hibernate.dialect.RDMSOS2200Dialect >> org.hibernate.dialect.SAPDBDialect >> org.hibernate.transaction.BESTransactionManagerLookup >> org.hibernate.transaction.JOnASTransactionManagerLookup >> org.hibernate.transaction.JOTMTransactionManagerLookup >> org.hibernate.transaction.JRun4TransactionManagerLookup >> org.hibernate.transaction.OC4JTransactionManagerLookup >> org.hibernate.transaction.OrionTransactionManagerLookup >> org.hibernate.transaction.WebSphereExtendedJTATransactionLookup >> org.hibernate.transaction.WebSphereTransactionManagerLookup >> >> (this is in addition to the already done splits on trunk) >> >> Anyone feel any of the above should remain in the core bundle? >> Anything else >> we should move? >> >> >> -- >> Steve Ebersole >> >> Hibernate Project Lead >> http://hibernate.org >> >> Principal Software Engineer >> http://redhat.com >> http://jboss.org >> _______________________________________________ >> hibernate-dev mailing list >> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > > _______________________________________________ > hibernate-dev mailing list > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev -- Steve Ebersole Hibernate Project Lead http://hibernate.org Principal Software Engineer http://redhat.com http://jboss.org _______________________________________________ hibernate-dev mailing list hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev