2:14 a.m.
Is there any reason why the lone profile in standalone.xml, which
configures all available subsystems, named "ignore":
<profile name="ignore">
....
</profile>
-Jaikiran
2:26 a.m.
Hmm, yeah that's not a good name choice. I think for standalone we
should just remove the name.
On 04/20/2011 09:14 AM, Jaikiran Pai wrote:
Is there any reason why the lone profile in standalone.xml, which
configures all available subsystems, named "ignore":
<profile name="ignore">
....
</profile>
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2:50 a.m.
On Wednesday 20 April 2011 12:56 PM, Emanuel Muckenhuber wrote:
Hmm, yeah that's not a good name choice. I think for standalone
we
should just remove the name.
Why not name it "default"?
-Jaikiran
On 04/20/2011 09:14 AM, Jaikiran Pai wrote:
> Is there any reason why the lone profile in standalone.xml, which
> configures all available subsystems, named "ignore":
>
>
> <profile name="ignore">
> ....
> </profile>
>
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Well in standalone you can only have a single profile - therefore the
name would not mean much. I think we don't even parse it currently. So
not really sure what this could be useful for.
On 04/20/2011 09:50 AM, Jaikiran Pai wrote:
On Wednesday 20 April 2011 12:56 PM, Emanuel Muckenhuber wrote:
> Hmm, yeah that's not a good name choice. I think for standalone we
> should just remove the name.
Why not name it "default"?
-Jaikiran
>
> On 04/20/2011 09:14 AM, Jaikiran Pai wrote:
>> Is there any reason why the lone profile in standalone.xml, which
>> configures all available subsystems, named "ignore":
>>
>>
>> <profile name="ignore">
>> ....
>> </profile>
>>
>>
>> -Jaikiran
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3:17 a.m.
Am 20.04.2011 um 10:05 schrieb Emanuel Muckenhuber:
Well in standalone you can only have a single profile - therefore the
name would not mean much. I think we don't even parse it currently. So
not really sure what this could be useful for.
My understanding (from discussions with DML) was that standalone does not
have any profile at all - especially within the management tree.
Heiko
3:29 a.m.
On 04/20/2011 10:17 AM, Heiko W.Rupp wrote:
Am 20.04.2011 um 10:05 schrieb Emanuel Muckenhuber:
> Well in standalone you can only have a single profile - therefore the
> name would not mean much. I think we don't even parse it currently. So
> not really sure what this could be useful for.
My understanding (from discussions with DML) was that standalone does not
have any profile at all - especially within the management tree.
Yes, that's correct. We only have subsystems in the mgmt tree - the
profile notion is only really used in the domain. Therefore a
profile-name would be a simple attribute - one of the main reasons why i
think that we should just remove it.
3:47 a.m.
Am 20.04.2011 um 10:29 schrieb Emanuel Muckenhuber:
Yes, that's correct. We only have subsystems in the mgmt tree -
the profile notion is only really used in the domain. Therefore a profile-name would be a
simple attribute - one of the main reasons why i think that we should just remove it.
Remove what?
I'd expect the whole
<profile name="ignore">
....
</profile>
to be removed.
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On 04/20/2011 10:47 AM, Heiko W.Rupp wrote:
Am 20.04.2011 um 10:29 schrieb Emanuel Muckenhuber:
> Yes, that's correct. We only have subsystems in the mgmt tree - the profile
notion is only really used in the domain. Therefore a profile-name would be a simple
attribute - one of the main reasons why i think that we should just remove it.
Remove what?
I'd expect the whole
<profile name="ignore">
....
</profile>
to be removed.
No, just the attribute "name" - not the complete section.
8:39 a.m.
Why don't we just call it "standalone". That makes the most sense to me
personally.
Andy
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On 04/20/2011 10:47 AM, Heiko W.Rupp wrote:
>
> Am 20.04.2011 um 10:29 schrieb Emanuel Muckenhuber:
>> Yes, that's correct. We only have subsystems in the mgmt tree - the
>> profile notion is only really used in the domain. Therefore a
>> profile-name would be a simple attribute - one of the main reasons
>> why i think that we should just remove it.
>
> Remove what?
>
> I'd expect the whole
>
> <profile name="ignore">
> ....
> </profile>
>
> to be removed.
>
No, just the attribute "name" - not the complete section.
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8:52 a.m.
One time when I was touching code in that area I briefly thought about
removing the name attribute altogether for standalone. My rationale for
not removing it was admins running multiple standalone servers with
differing configs may want to name their profile for their own reasons,
i.e. "oh, I see that serverX is running the datagrid profile."
Now that's not much of a reason, and might encourage weird wrong
thinking where admins think *we* somehow keep the "datagrid" profile in
sync across a bunch of standalone mode servers. It was just enough of a
reason for me to not divert from what I was doing and remove it right then.
Any opinions on that? If we keep it, I like "standalone" as the default
name as it implies nothing. Using "default" begs the question of "who's
default? The one Red Hat shipped? Ours?"
On 4/20/11 8:39 AM, Andrig Miller wrote:
Why don't we just call it "standalone". That makes the
most sense to me personally.
Andy
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> Subject: Re: [jboss-as7-dev] "ignore" profile in standalone.xml?
> On 04/20/2011 10:47 AM, Heiko W.Rupp wrote:
>>
>> Am 20.04.2011 um 10:29 schrieb Emanuel Muckenhuber:
>>> Yes, that's correct. We only have subsystems in the mgmt tree - the
>>> profile notion is only really used in the domain. Therefore a
>>> profile-name would be a simple attribute - one of the main reasons
>>> why i think that we should just remove it.
>>
>> Remove what?
>>
>> I'd expect the whole
>>
>> <profile name="ignore">
>> ....
>> </profile>
>>
>> to be removed.
>>
>
> No, just the attribute "name" - not the complete section.
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9:08 a.m.
I vote to remove it, it really serves no purpose. The element just
exists to group stuff. The operation addresses which affect the
subsystems therein could simply forego the "profile=xxx" part.
On 04/20/2011 08:52 AM, Brian Stansberry wrote:
One time when I was touching code in that area I briefly thought
about
removing the name attribute altogether for standalone. My rationale for
not removing it was admins running multiple standalone servers with
differing configs may want to name their profile for their own reasons,
i.e. "oh, I see that serverX is running the datagrid profile."
Now that's not much of a reason, and might encourage weird wrong
thinking where admins think *we* somehow keep the "datagrid" profile in
sync across a bunch of standalone mode servers. It was just enough of a
reason for me to not divert from what I was doing and remove it right then.
Any opinions on that? If we keep it, I like "standalone" as the default
name as it implies nothing. Using "default" begs the question of
"who's
default? The one Red Hat shipped? Ours?"
On 4/20/11 8:39 AM, Andrig Miller wrote:
> Why don't we just call it "standalone". That makes the most sense to
me personally.
>
> Andy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Emanuel Muckenhuber"<emuckenh(a)redhat.com>
>> To: jboss-as7-dev(a)lists.jboss.org
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 2:50:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: [jboss-as7-dev] "ignore" profile in standalone.xml?
>> On 04/20/2011 10:47 AM, Heiko W.Rupp wrote:
>>>
>>> Am 20.04.2011 um 10:29 schrieb Emanuel Muckenhuber:
>>>> Yes, that's correct. We only have subsystems in the mgmt tree - the
>>>> profile notion is only really used in the domain. Therefore a
>>>> profile-name would be a simple attribute - one of the main reasons
>>>> why i think that we should just remove it.
>>>
>>> Remove what?
>>>
>>> I'd expect the whole
>>>
>>> <profile name="ignore">
>>> ....
>>> </profile>
>>>
>>> to be removed.
>>>
>>
>> No, just the attribute "name" - not the complete section.
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10:01 a.m.
It's not part of the addresses in standalone mode. The profile name is
just an attribute on the root resource.
That attribute is useful for the domain-mode view of the running server,
as it lets you see what profile the server is running without having to
go back to the server-config.
I'm fine with removing it from the standalone.xml. I just filed a JIRA
[1] to do that, but scheduled for CR1, work on which starts in a week
and a half or so. So if someone has a good case to keep it, you've got a
few days to make it.
[1] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBAS-9372
On 4/20/11 9:08 AM, David M. Lloyd wrote:
I vote to remove it, it really serves no purpose. The element just
exists to group stuff. The operation addresses which affect the
subsystems therein could simply forego the "profile=xxx" part.
On 04/20/2011 08:52 AM, Brian Stansberry wrote:
> One time when I was touching code in that area I briefly thought about
> removing the name attribute altogether for standalone. My rationale for
> not removing it was admins running multiple standalone servers with
> differing configs may want to name their profile for their own reasons,
> i.e. "oh, I see that serverX is running the datagrid profile."
>
> Now that's not much of a reason, and might encourage weird wrong
> thinking where admins think *we* somehow keep the "datagrid" profile in
> sync across a bunch of standalone mode servers. It was just enough of a
> reason for me to not divert from what I was doing and remove it right then.
>
> Any opinions on that? If we keep it, I like "standalone" as the default
> name as it implies nothing. Using "default" begs the question of
"who's
> default? The one Red Hat shipped? Ours?"
>
> On 4/20/11 8:39 AM, Andrig Miller wrote:
>> Why don't we just call it "standalone". That makes the most sense
to me personally.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
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>>> To: jboss-as7-dev(a)lists.jboss.org
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 2:50:47 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [jboss-as7-dev] "ignore" profile in standalone.xml?
>>> On 04/20/2011 10:47 AM, Heiko W.Rupp wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Am 20.04.2011 um 10:29 schrieb Emanuel Muckenhuber:
>>>>> Yes, that's correct. We only have subsystems in the mgmt tree -
the
>>>>> profile notion is only really used in the domain. Therefore a
>>>>> profile-name would be a simple attribute - one of the main reasons
>>>>> why i think that we should just remove it.
>>>>
>>>> Remove what?
>>>>
>>>> I'd expect the whole
>>>>
>>>> <profile name="ignore">
>>>> ....
>>>> </profile>
>>>>
>>>> to be removed.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, just the attribute "name" - not the complete section.
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+1. Since its not needed based on Brian's message.
What impact does this have on the console, since it has that "Profile" tab, even
in the standalone mode?
Andy
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Subject: Re: [jboss-as7-dev] "ignore" profile in standalone.xml?
I vote to remove it, it really serves no purpose. The element just
exists to group stuff. The operation addresses which affect the
subsystems therein could simply forego the "profile=xxx" part.
On 04/20/2011 08:52 AM, Brian Stansberry wrote:
> One time when I was touching code in that area I briefly thought
> about
> removing the name attribute altogether for standalone. My rationale
> for
> not removing it was admins running multiple standalone servers with
> differing configs may want to name their profile for their own
> reasons,
> i.e. "oh, I see that serverX is running the datagrid profile."
>
> Now that's not much of a reason, and might encourage weird wrong
> thinking where admins think *we* somehow keep the "datagrid" profile
> in
> sync across a bunch of standalone mode servers. It was just enough
> of a
> reason for me to not divert from what I was doing and remove it
> right then.
>
> Any opinions on that? If we keep it, I like "standalone" as the
> default
> name as it implies nothing. Using "default" begs the question of
> "who's
> default? The one Red Hat shipped? Ours?"
>
> On 4/20/11 8:39 AM, Andrig Miller wrote:
>> Why don't we just call it "standalone". That makes the most sense
>> to me personally.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Emanuel Muckenhuber"<emuckenh(a)redhat.com>
>>> To: jboss-as7-dev(a)lists.jboss.org
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 2:50:47 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [jboss-as7-dev] "ignore" profile in standalone.xml?
>>> On 04/20/2011 10:47 AM, Heiko W.Rupp wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Am 20.04.2011 um 10:29 schrieb Emanuel Muckenhuber:
>>>>> Yes, that's correct. We only have subsystems in the mgmt tree -
>>>>> the
>>>>> profile notion is only really used in the domain. Therefore a
>>>>> profile-name would be a simple attribute - one of the main
>>>>> reasons
>>>>> why i think that we should just remove it.
>>>>
>>>> Remove what?
>>>>
>>>> I'd expect the whole
>>>>
>>>> <profile name="ignore">
>>>> ....
>>>> </profile>
>>>>
>>>> to be removed.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, just the attribute "name" - not the complete section.
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10:13 a.m.
Hopefully not much. :-)
The notion of a "profile" still exists, i.e. it's the set of subsystems
the server is running along with their configuration. It's a useful way
of aggregating related information even if it doesn't have a name.
On 4/20/11 10:09 AM, Andrig Miller wrote:
+1. Since its not needed based on Brian's message.
What impact does this have on the console, since it has that "Profile" tab,
even in the standalone mode?
Andy
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> To: jboss-as7-dev(a)lists.jboss.org
> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 8:08:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [jboss-as7-dev] "ignore" profile in standalone.xml?
> I vote to remove it, it really serves no purpose. The element just
> exists to group stuff. The operation addresses which affect the
> subsystems therein could simply forego the "profile=xxx" part.
>
> On 04/20/2011 08:52 AM, Brian Stansberry wrote:
>> One time when I was touching code in that area I briefly thought
>> about
>> removing the name attribute altogether for standalone. My rationale
>> for
>> not removing it was admins running multiple standalone servers with
>> differing configs may want to name their profile for their own
>> reasons,
>> i.e. "oh, I see that serverX is running the datagrid profile."
>>
>> Now that's not much of a reason, and might encourage weird wrong
>> thinking where admins think *we* somehow keep the "datagrid" profile
>> in
>> sync across a bunch of standalone mode servers. It was just enough
>> of a
>> reason for me to not divert from what I was doing and remove it
>> right then.
>>
>> Any opinions on that? If we keep it, I like "standalone" as the
>> default
>> name as it implies nothing. Using "default" begs the question of
>> "who's
>> default? The one Red Hat shipped? Ours?"
>>
>> On 4/20/11 8:39 AM, Andrig Miller wrote:
>>> Why don't we just call it "standalone". That makes the most
sense
>>> to me personally.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Emanuel Muckenhuber"<emuckenh(a)redhat.com>
>>>> To: jboss-as7-dev(a)lists.jboss.org
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 2:50:47 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [jboss-as7-dev] "ignore" profile in
standalone.xml?
>>>> On 04/20/2011 10:47 AM, Heiko W.Rupp wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 20.04.2011 um 10:29 schrieb Emanuel Muckenhuber:
>>>>>> Yes, that's correct. We only have subsystems in the mgmt tree
-
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> profile notion is only really used in the domain. Therefore a
>>>>>> profile-name would be a simple attribute - one of the main
>>>>>> reasons
>>>>>> why i think that we should just remove it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Remove what?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd expect the whole
>>>>>
>>>>> <profile name="ignore">
>>>>> ....
>>>>> </profile>
>>>>>
>>>>> to be removed.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, just the attribute "name" - not the complete section.
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