Yes, a build time step would only make sense if the impact of any
runtime-only solution was prohibitive.
On 4/3/13 11:54 AM, David M. Lloyd wrote:
Anything is possible! Requiring build time steps is historically
unpopular among certain... elements... but there is no technical reason
why it would not work.
On 04/03/2013 11:39 AM, Brian Stansberry wrote:
> Could this or a package-level annotation be used at build time?
>
> We already "automate" adding in the resource stuff for our module.xml
> files. I know, I know, it's via ant, but could we create a maven plugin
> instead?
>
> On 4/3/13 11:25 AM, Jason Greene wrote:
>> If that doesn't turn out another idea would be to use manifest attributes.
>>
>> That can then easily be placed in your project's pom file.
>>
>> On Apr 3, 2013, at 10:57 AM, "David M. Lloyd"
<david.lloyd(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That's an interesting idea. The problem though is that it requires the
>>> resource loader to be accessed during linking (as opposed to just
>>> scanning the string). That might have a lesser performance impact than
>>> reading package-info.class, but I suspect it would still be
>>> non-negligible. I'd have to test it and see what the impact is for sure
>>> though - it could be a viable solution.
>>>
>>> On 04/03/2013 10:50 AM, Jason Greene wrote:
>>>> What about sticking a market file in the package (e.g.
"PRIVATE")?
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 3, 2013, at 10:40 AM, "David M. Lloyd"
<david.lloyd(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Like I said we already support private packages for the cases where
the
>>>>> user (or integrator rather) doesn't mind spelling out those
packages in
>>>>> the module.xml.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm just talking about doing this on an automatic basis for
certain
>>>>> specially named packages so that this part is not necessary.
It's
>>>>> sounding like a lot of folks don't care for the idea though.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had wanted to support the use of a package-level annotation but
there
>>>>> seems to be no way to do this that doesn't kill perf... oh well.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think this is something that would really impact
customers or
>>>>> end users in any way though, unless we use a common package name
>>>>> segment. Is that what you're getting at?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 04/02/2013 11:55 AM, Emmanuel Bernard wrote:
>>>>>> For "my" modules I am more than happy to talk to
customers if they use private / impl packages. We did categorize them for that very reason
and it took us a lot of effort. I imagine we would enforce it in a major version shift
anyways, so it worked be nice for modules to support that even if for your modules you
would not want to use the feature.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2 avr. 2013, at 18:37, "David M. Lloyd"
<david.lloyd(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The problem is compatibility - because such packages are
shared today,
>>>>>>> making them suddenly be unshared on a global basis would
likely break
>>>>>>> things. I would however be in favor of adding *._private.*
support, or
>>>>>>> using another unlikely-to-exist option (_internal was
suggested).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The reason for the underscore is twofold: first,
"private" is a reserved
>>>>>>> word in Java so it can't be used from Java programs;
second, it is not
>>>>>>> used by any projects that I am aware of at the moment, so the
likelihood
>>>>>>> of breakage is basically zero.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 04/02/2013 11:29 AM, Emmanuel Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>>> A few projects already use *.impl.* or *.private.*
packages. Any reasons to use this unnatural (for Java) _private prefix? Could that be made
a customizable Glob or regexp like pattern in the xml dd.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2 avr. 2013, at 18:14, Brian Stansberry
<brian.stansberry(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Our logging IDs are already in the wild and are keys
to knowledge base
>>>>>>>>> entries and google results. Is changing these a case
where we are
>>>>>>>>> imposing pain on users in order to solve our own
internal process problems?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/2/13 10:47 AM, David M. Lloyd wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> There is a mechanism in JBoss Modules to support
packages which are not
>>>>>>>>>> visible to consumers of a module. The idea is to
come up with an easy
>>>>>>>>>> convention so that we can put module-private APIs
and classes in one
>>>>>>>>>> place that is visible from multiple packages,
without exposing or
>>>>>>>>>> documenting these packages.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Until 1.2, the only way available to do this for
statically defined
>>>>>>>>>> modules was to add an export filter in your
module.xml via the <exports>
>>>>>>>>>> element to exclude the specific package
directories that are hidden.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Starting in 1.2, you can also create a series of
packages whose first
>>>>>>>>>> segment is "_private". These packages
will automatically be excluded
>>>>>>>>>> from the exported paths list.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What I'd like to propose is:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1) For any given module, all generated JavaDoc
should exclude packages
>>>>>>>>>> under the _private hierarchy.
>>>>>>>>>> 2) For any module which does i18n logging, all
logging messages should
>>>>>>>>>> be consolidated in one or more (but preferably
one) interface(s) stored
>>>>>>>>>> in a public
_private.org.yourproject.YourInterface.
>>>>>>>>>> 3) Once the new name is announced, I think we
should break up our main
>>>>>>>>>> logging IDs into per-subsystem categories. For
example, "XXEE" for EE,
>>>>>>>>>> "XXEJB" for EJB, etc., each with their
own numerical space and message
>>>>>>>>>> interface. These two changes should put an end
to our log message ID
>>>>>>>>>> fragmentation problems and give us a (one-time
only!) chance to clean up
>>>>>>>>>> this mess.
>>>>>>>>>> 4) Projects that wish to exploit this mechanism
can do so, noting that
>>>>>>>>>> they should use
"_private.org.yourproject" as a package prefix instead
>>>>>>>>>> of just putting things directly under
"_private" (to avoid conflicts
>>>>>>>>>> when JARs are used on a flat class path).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Flame on!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> Principal Software Engineer
>>>>>>>>> JBoss by Red Hat
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