Ok, in the Foo class, I added: | @Roles({ | @Role(name="createFoo", scope=ScopeType.CONVERSATION) | }) and that didn't help, so I'm at a loss as to how to do anything practical with @In(create=true), used together with @Out, like: @In(create=true) @Out Foo createFoo; It seems like it should just instantiate the thing and then outject it with the variable name of "createFoo", but that isn't happening and createFoo is null when the page renders. Huh? I must be doing something dumb here.... View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=3993331#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...