10:54 p.m.
I am trying to figure out how to work with an existing model. The data is in
MongoDB with embedded documents. It is about patients would have
sub-documents. For example. An individual patient may have multiple
allergies. Also a patient has multiple medications. So it is as follows:
- Patient.medications ---> multiple Medication objects
So I see where you have a simple one to one. Typically perhaps you might
have the medication record know that it is associated with the patient, but
that is not how it is currently organized. So the question is can I write
rules when patients.medications returns a set/ collection of medications
associated with the patient. I want to write a rule such as "if a patient is
taking medication=xxx...."
Thanks for your help.
Ray Hooker
2:01 a.m.
Ideally, a relation is represented by separate objects. Then you might have
a rule
$p: Patient()
$p: Takes( patient == $p, $m: medication )
Medication( this == $m )
and this rule will fire for each medication of the patient.
Answering such questions without details about the actual data model
is impossible.
-W
On 02/01/2014, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com> wrote:
I am trying to figure out how to work with an existing model. The
data is
in
MongoDB with embedded documents. It is about patients would have
sub-documents. For example. An individual patient may have multiple
allergies. Also a patient has multiple medications. So it is as follows:
- Patient.medications ---> multiple Medication objects
So I see where you have a simple one to one. Typically perhaps you might
have the medication record know that it is associated with the patient, but
that is not how it is currently organized. So the question is can I write
rules when patients.medications returns a set/ collection of medications
associated with the patient. I want to write a rule such as "if a patient
is
taking medication=xxx...."
Thanks for your help.
Ray Hooker
11:16 a.m.
Wolfgang, So in your case you were envisioning the possibility of a Takes object that
matched between a particular medication and the patient. Actually we are fairly close in
the case of medications.
As you probably know MongoDB allows for documents. In this case, the patient’s document
contains subdocuments. In the case of medications, this semantically means “as of the
date of this patient document, the patient is taking the following medicine listed by the
applicable code and text description”.
When read from the DB, you actually have a Java object Patient (or “Record”) that has a
method “medications” that returns a set of “Medication” objects. The parent knows about
the medication through the set “medications”. I certainly could assert each patient/
record and for each of those assert each subdocument, inserting a key back to the parent.
So the rule would need to identify, for example, any case where a particular had a
medication object where the drug code matched a particular code or set of codes.
Any suggestions are appreciated. Also in the example below, is “Takes” a function and
what does “this” refer to?
Thanks,
Ray
On Jan 2, 2014, at 2:01 AM, Wolfgang Laun <wolfgang.laun(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Ideally, a relation is represented by separate objects. Then you
might have
a rule
$p: Patient()
$p: Takes( patient == $p, $m: medication )
Medication( this == $m )
and this rule will fire for each medication of the patient.
Answering such questions without details about the actual data model
is impossible.
-W
On 02/01/2014, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com> wrote:
> I am trying to figure out how to work with an existing model. The data is
> in
> MongoDB with embedded documents. It is about patients would have
> sub-documents. For example. An individual patient may have multiple
> allergies. Also a patient has multiple medications. So it is as follows:
>
> - Patient.medications ---> multiple Medication objects
>
> So I see where you have a simple one to one. Typically perhaps you might
> have the medication record know that it is associated with the patient, but
> that is not how it is currently organized. So the question is can I write
> rules when patients.medications returns a set/ collection of medications
> associated with the patient. I want to write a rule such as "if a patient
> is
> taking medication=xxx...."
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Ray Hooker
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12:36 p.m.
As you describe it, here's the way to refer to a particular medication:
Patient( $meds: medications )
Medication( drugCode == "55749-003-01" ) from $meds
This rule determines whether the patient has this particular
medication. There are other operators that might be useful:
Medication( drugCode str[startsWith] "55749-003" ) from $meds
Inserting the Medication objects with a backlink to the Patient can
simplify rule evaluation, which may depend on the number and
complexity of the rules. Compare:
Patient( $meds: medications )
Medication( drugCode == "55749-003-01" ) from $meds
Medication( drugCode == "55799-565-01" ) from $meds
with
$p: Patient()
Medication( drugCode == "55749-003-01", patient == $p )
Medication( drugCode == "55799-565-01", patient == $p )
Much depends on the number of facts you'll need to process.
To answer your question, "Takes" was a class name I invented to refer
to the relation as an object, and "this" is Java's "this",
referring
to the matching object.
-W
On 02/01/2014, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com> wrote:
Wolfgang, So in your case you were envisioning the possibility of a
Takes
object that matched between a particular medication and the patient.
Actually we are fairly close in the case of medications.
As you probably know MongoDB allows for documents. In this case, the
patient’s document contains subdocuments. In the case of medications, this
semantically means “as of the date of this patient document, the patient is
taking the following medicine listed by the applicable code and text
description”.
When read from the DB, you actually have a Java object Patient (or “Record”)
that has a method “medications” that returns a set of “Medication” objects.
The parent knows about the medication through the set “medications”. I
certainly could assert each patient/ record and for each of those assert
each subdocument, inserting a key back to the parent.
So the rule would need to identify, for example, any case where a particular
had a medication object where the drug code matched a particular code or set
of codes.
Any suggestions are appreciated. Also in the example below, is “Takes” a
function and what does “this” refer to?
Thanks,
Ray
On Jan 2, 2014, at 2:01 AM, Wolfgang Laun <wolfgang.laun(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Ideally, a relation is represented by separate objects. Then you might
> have
> a rule
>
> $p: Patient()
> $p: Takes( patient == $p, $m: medication )
> Medication( this == $m )
>
> and this rule will fire for each medication of the patient.
>
> Answering such questions without details about the actual data model
> is impossible.
>
> -W
>
> On 02/01/2014, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com> wrote:
>> I am trying to figure out how to work with an existing model. The data
>> is
>> in
>> MongoDB with embedded documents. It is about patients would have
>> sub-documents. For example. An individual patient may have multiple
>> allergies. Also a patient has multiple medications. So it is as
>> follows:
>>
>> - Patient.medications ---> multiple Medication objects
>>
>> So I see where you have a simple one to one. Typically perhaps you
>> might
>> have the medication record know that it is associated with the patient,
>> but
>> that is not how it is currently organized. So the question is can I
>> write
>> rules when patients.medications returns a set/ collection of medications
>> associated with the patient. I want to write a rule such as "if a
>> patient
>> is
>> taking medication=xxx...."
>>
>> Thanks for your help.
>>
>> Ray Hooker
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12:02 a.m.
New subject: Kie and Guvnor 6.0
I have installed and worked with the new Guvnor interface. I am not sure how to interface
with it.
This may be a basic question, but I have not seen documentation of how Guvnor works
exactly in version 6.0. I see that it uses a git repository and maven server, but I do
not see where it actually resides or how I can access it? I need info like port,
protocol, file location or something specific. I have tried to example the installation
but am not sure the details. Certainly there is not a configuration panel that might
indicate configured port for the maven repository, etc. A network diagram would be
helpful.
It is possible that I need to access the git repository or the Maven repository using Kie
specific classes and functionality but then I would assume I need to give it the url/ web
address of the Guvnor and way to configure that.
Ray
5:42 a.m.
New subject: Kie and Guvnor 6.0
Hi,
Here are the docs available for new Workbench:
http://docs.jboss.org/drools/release/6.0.1.Final/drools-docs/html/wb.Work...
Regards,
---
Alexandre Porcelli
Principal Software Engineer
Red Hat Business Systems and Intelligence Group
On Jan 7, 2014, at 3:02 AM, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com> wrote:
I have installed and worked with the new Guvnor interface. I am not
sure how to interface with it.
This may be a basic question, but I have not seen documentation of how Guvnor works
exactly in version 6.0. I see that it uses a git repository and maven server, but I do
not see where it actually resides or how I can access it? I need info like port,
protocol, file location or something specific. I have tried to example the installation
but am not sure the details. Certainly there is not a configuration panel that might
indicate configured port for the maven repository, etc. A network diagram would be
helpful.
It is possible that I need to access the git repository or the Maven repository using Kie
specific classes and functionality but then I would assume I need to give it the url/ web
address of the Guvnor and way to configure that.
Ray
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8:32 p.m.
New subject: Kie and Guvnor 6.0
Thanks for the pointer on the docs. BTW have you seen a way to utilize more than
primitive types in the Data modeler? I see where I can specify models I have already
created but what about other classes such as ArrayList, etc? This is needed for
one-to-many relationships between facts. For example, I have an existing model where
patients have multiple medication records. I can write rules to deal with this manually
(e.g., using the “from” keyword), but can I use Guvnor to specify the model as it really
exists?.. which is an ArrayList type Medication?
Ray
On Jan 7, 2014, at 5:42 AM, Alexandre Porcelli <porcelli(a)redhat.com> wrote:
Hi,
Here are the docs available for new Workbench:
http://docs.jboss.org/drools/release/6.0.1.Final/drools-docs/html/wb.Work...
Regards,
---
Alexandre Porcelli
Principal Software Engineer
Red Hat Business Systems and Intelligence Group
On Jan 7, 2014, at 3:02 AM, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com> wrote:
> I have installed and worked with the new Guvnor interface. I am not sure how to
interface with it.
>
> This may be a basic question, but I have not seen documentation of how Guvnor works
exactly in version 6.0. I see that it uses a git repository and maven server, but I do
not see where it actually resides or how I can access it? I need info like port,
protocol, file location or something specific. I have tried to example the installation
but am not sure the details. Certainly there is not a configuration panel that might
indicate configured port for the maven repository, etc. A network diagram would be
helpful.
>
> It is possible that I need to access the git repository or the Maven repository using
Kie specific classes and functionality but then I would assume I need to give it the url/
web address of the Guvnor and way to configure that.
>
>
> Ray
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9:40 p.m.
New subject: Kie and Guvnor 6.0
If you configure the imports, for the project, then those types become available.
Mark
On 8 Jan 2014, at 01:32, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com> wrote:
Thanks for the pointer on the docs. BTW have you seen a way to
utilize more than primitive types in the Data modeler? I see where I can specify models I
have already created but what about other classes such as ArrayList, etc? This is needed
for one-to-many relationships between facts. For example, I have an existing model where
patients have multiple medication records. I can write rules to deal with this manually
(e.g., using the “from” keyword), but can I use Guvnor to specify the model as it really
exists?.. which is an ArrayList type Medication?
Ray
On Jan 7, 2014, at 5:42 AM, Alexandre Porcelli <porcelli(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Here are the docs available for new Workbench:
http://docs.jboss.org/drools/release/6.0.1.Final/drools-docs/html/wb.Work...
>
> Regards,
> ---
> Alexandre Porcelli
> Principal Software Engineer
> Red Hat Business Systems and Intelligence Group
>
> On Jan 7, 2014, at 3:02 AM, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com> wrote:
>
>> I have installed and worked with the new Guvnor interface. I am not sure how to
interface with it.
>>
>> This may be a basic question, but I have not seen documentation of how Guvnor
works exactly in version 6.0. I see that it uses a git repository and maven server, but I
do not see where it actually resides or how I can access it? I need info like port,
protocol, file location or something specific. I have tried to example the installation
but am not sure the details. Certainly there is not a configuration panel that might
indicate configured port for the maven repository, etc. A network diagram would be
helpful.
>>
>> It is possible that I need to access the git repository or the Maven repository
using Kie specific classes and functionality but then I would assume I need to give it the
url/ web address of the Guvnor and way to configure that.
>>
>>
>> Ray
>> _______________________________________________
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11:35 a.m.
New subject: Kie and Guvnor 6.0
Mark, That makes sense. I added java.util.ArrayList and even saved it. I had to
shutdown and restart though to get it to pop up in the Data Modeler as an option for field
type. Is there a better way to refresh the list?
Ray
On Jan 7, 2014, at 9:40 PM, Mark Proctor <mproctor(a)codehaus.org> wrote:
If you configure the imports, for the project, then those types
become available.
Mark
On 8 Jan 2014, at 01:32, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the pointer on the docs. BTW have you seen a way to utilize more than
primitive types in the Data modeler? I see where I can specify models I have already
created but what about other classes such as ArrayList, etc? This is needed for
one-to-many relationships between facts. For example, I have an existing model where
patients have multiple medication records. I can write rules to deal with this manually
(e.g., using the “from” keyword), but can I use Guvnor to specify the model as it really
exists?.. which is an ArrayList type Medication?
>
> Ray
> On Jan 7, 2014, at 5:42 AM, Alexandre Porcelli <porcelli(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Here are the docs available for new Workbench:
http://docs.jboss.org/drools/release/6.0.1.Final/drools-docs/html/wb.Work...
>>
>> Regards,
>> ---
>> Alexandre Porcelli
>> Principal Software Engineer
>> Red Hat Business Systems and Intelligence Group
>>
>> On Jan 7, 2014, at 3:02 AM, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have installed and worked with the new Guvnor interface. I am not sure how
to interface with it.
>>>
>>> This may be a basic question, but I have not seen documentation of how Guvnor
works exactly in version 6.0. I see that it uses a git repository and maven server, but I
do not see where it actually resides or how I can access it? I need info like port,
protocol, file location or something specific. I have tried to example the installation
but am not sure the details. Certainly there is not a configuration panel that might
indicate configured port for the maven repository, etc. A network diagram would be
helpful.
>>>
>>> It is possible that I need to access the git repository or the Maven
repository using Kie specific classes and functionality but then I would assume I need to
give it the url/ web address of the Guvnor and way to configure that.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ray
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> rules-users mailing list
>>> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org
>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users
>>
>>
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11:58 a.m.
New subject: Kie and Guvnor 6.0
On 8 Jan 2014, at 16:35, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com> wrote:
Mark, That makes sense. I added java.util.ArrayList and even saved
it. I had to shutdown and restart though to get it to pop up in the Data Modeler as an
option for field type. Is there a better way to refresh the list?
That doesn’t
sounds good. I’ve cc’d in the author, to get more details.
Mark
Ray
On Jan 7, 2014, at 9:40 PM, Mark Proctor <mproctor(a)codehaus.org> wrote:
> If you configure the imports, for the project, then those types become available.
>
> Mark
> On 8 Jan 2014, at 01:32, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the pointer on the docs. BTW have you seen a way to utilize more
than primitive types in the Data modeler? I see where I can specify models I have already
created but what about other classes such as ArrayList, etc? This is needed for
one-to-many relationships between facts. For example, I have an existing model where
patients have multiple medication records. I can write rules to deal with this manually
(e.g., using the “from” keyword), but can I use Guvnor to specify the model as it really
exists?.. which is an ArrayList type Medication?
>>
>> Ray
>> On Jan 7, 2014, at 5:42 AM, Alexandre Porcelli <porcelli(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Here are the docs available for new Workbench:
http://docs.jboss.org/drools/release/6.0.1.Final/drools-docs/html/wb.Work...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> ---
>>> Alexandre Porcelli
>>> Principal Software Engineer
>>> Red Hat Business Systems and Intelligence Group
>>>
>>> On Jan 7, 2014, at 3:02 AM, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have installed and worked with the new Guvnor interface. I am not sure
how to interface with it.
>>>>
>>>> This may be a basic question, but I have not seen documentation of how
Guvnor works exactly in version 6.0. I see that it uses a git repository and maven
server, but I do not see where it actually resides or how I can access it? I need info
like port, protocol, file location or something specific. I have tried to example the
installation but am not sure the details. Certainly there is not a configuration panel
that might indicate configured port for the maven repository, etc. A network diagram
would be helpful.
>>>>
>>>> It is possible that I need to access the git repository or the Maven
repository using Kie specific classes and functionality but then I would assume I need to
give it the url/ web address of the Guvnor and way to configure that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ray
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users
>>>
>>>
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12:25 p.m.
New subject: Kie and Guvnor 6.0
Data Modeller will cache the project level meta data for types etc. You
could try closing the Data Modeller and re-opening.
There was a bug too (I think fixed in the latest release) that would
require a restart but can be worked around by saving the pom.xml (e.g.
change project description).
Sent on the move
On 8 Jan 2014 16:58, "Mark Proctor" <mproctor(a)codehaus.org> wrote:
On 8 Jan 2014, at 16:35, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com> wrote:
> Mark, That makes sense. I added java.util.ArrayList and even saved
it. I had to shutdown and restart though to get it to pop up in the Data
Modeler as an option for field type. Is there a better way to refresh the
list?
That doesn’t sounds good. I’ve cc’d in the author, to get more details.
Mark
>
> Ray
>
>
> On Jan 7, 2014, at 9:40 PM, Mark Proctor <mproctor(a)codehaus.org> wrote:
>
>> If you configure the imports, for the project, then those types become
available.
>>
>> Mark
>> On 8 Jan 2014, at 01:32, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the pointer on the docs. BTW have you seen a way to
utilize more than primitive types in the Data modeler? I see where I can
specify models I have already created but what about other classes such as
ArrayList, etc? This is needed for one-to-many relationships between
facts. For example, I have an existing model where patients have multiple
medication records. I can write rules to deal with this manually (e.g.,
using the “from” keyword), but can I use Guvnor to specify the model as it
really exists?.. which is an ArrayList type Medication?
>>>
>>> Ray
>>> On Jan 7, 2014, at 5:42 AM, Alexandre Porcelli <porcelli(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Here are the docs available for new Workbench:
http://docs.jboss.org/drools/release/6.0.1.Final/drools-docs/html/wb.Work...
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> ---
>>>> Alexandre Porcelli
>>>> Principal Software Engineer
>>>> Red Hat Business Systems and Intelligence Group
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 7, 2014, at 3:02 AM, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have installed and worked with the new Guvnor interface. I am
not
sure how to interface with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> This may be a basic question, but I have not seen documentation of
how Guvnor works exactly in version 6.0. I see that it uses a git
repository and maven server, but I do not see where it actually resides or
how I can access it? I need info like port, protocol, file location or
something specific. I have tried to example the installation but am not
sure the details. Certainly there is not a configuration panel that might
indicate configured port for the maven repository, etc. A network diagram
would be helpful.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is possible that I need to access the git repository or the
Maven
repository using Kie specific classes and functionality but then I would
assume I need to give it the url/ web address of the Guvnor and way to
configure that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> rules-users mailing list
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>>>>
>>>>
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10:36 p.m.
Wolfgang, Thanks. That works nicely. I do have a followup question. I wrote the
following query:
rule "Find patient taking Atorvastin (Lipitor)"
dialect "mvel"
when
$p: PatientRecord($meds: medications)
MedicationRecord(getCode("RxNorm").contains("617314")) from $meds
then
System.out.println("Found a patient taking Lipitor:
"+$p.medical_record_number);
results.addResult(new Result("test",$p.medical_record_number,"Found
Patient Taking Lipitor","now"));
end
The problem is that a patient record may have multiple times where this was prescribed.
How would I change the query so that it does not repeat the find so that it is logically:
“If the patient ever took Lipitor… or if there is any record of the patient taking Lipitor
then flag then…” instead of flagging for each hit?? So it only flags a patient with at
least one medication record indicating Lipitor…
Thanks,
Ray
On Jan 2, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Wolfgang Laun <wolfgang.laun(a)gmail.com> wrote:
As you describe it, here's the way to refer to a particular
medication:
Patient( $meds: medications )
Medication( drugCode == "55749-003-01" ) from $meds
This rule determines whether the patient has this particular
medication. There are other operators that might be useful:
Medication( drugCode str[startsWith] "55749-003" ) from $meds
Inserting the Medication objects with a backlink to the Patient can
simplify rule evaluation, which may depend on the number and
complexity of the rules. Compare:
Patient( $meds: medications )
Medication( drugCode == "55749-003-01" ) from $meds
Medication( drugCode == "55799-565-01" ) from $meds
with
$p: Patient()
Medication( drugCode == "55749-003-01", patient == $p )
Medication( drugCode == "55799-565-01", patient == $p )
Much depends on the number of facts you'll need to process.
To answer your question, "Takes" was a class name I invented to refer
to the relation as an object, and "this" is Java's "this",
referring
to the matching object.
-W
On 02/01/2014, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com> wrote:
> Wolfgang, So in your case you were envisioning the possibility of a Takes
> object that matched between a particular medication and the patient.
> Actually we are fairly close in the case of medications.
>
> As you probably know MongoDB allows for documents. In this case, the
> patient’s document contains subdocuments. In the case of medications, this
> semantically means “as of the date of this patient document, the patient is
> taking the following medicine listed by the applicable code and text
> description”.
>
> When read from the DB, you actually have a Java object Patient (or “Record”)
> that has a method “medications” that returns a set of “Medication” objects.
> The parent knows about the medication through the set “medications”. I
> certainly could assert each patient/ record and for each of those assert
> each subdocument, inserting a key back to the parent.
>
> So the rule would need to identify, for example, any case where a particular
> had a medication object where the drug code matched a particular code or set
> of codes.
>
> Any suggestions are appreciated. Also in the example below, is “Takes” a
> function and what does “this” refer to?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray
> On Jan 2, 2014, at 2:01 AM, Wolfgang Laun <wolfgang.laun(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ideally, a relation is represented by separate objects. Then you might
>> have
>> a rule
>>
>> $p: Patient()
>> $p: Takes( patient == $p, $m: medication )
>> Medication( this == $m )
>>
>> and this rule will fire for each medication of the patient.
>>
>> Answering such questions without details about the actual data model
>> is impossible.
>>
>> -W
>>
>> On 02/01/2014, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com> wrote:
>>> I am trying to figure out how to work with an existing model. The data
>>> is
>>> in
>>> MongoDB with embedded documents. It is about patients would have
>>> sub-documents. For example. An individual patient may have multiple
>>> allergies. Also a patient has multiple medications. So it is as
>>> follows:
>>>
>>> - Patient.medications ---> multiple Medication objects
>>>
>>> So I see where you have a simple one to one. Typically perhaps you
>>> might
>>> have the medication record know that it is associated with the patient,
>>> but
>>> that is not how it is currently organized. So the question is can I
>>> write
>>> rules when patients.medications returns a set/ collection of medications
>>> associated with the patient. I want to write a rule such as "if a
>>> patient
>>> is
>>> taking medication=xxx...."
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>
>>> Ray Hooker
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Try prefixing MedicationRecord with "exists". See the user guide for more
information.
Sent on the move
On 9 Jan 2014 03:36, "Ray Hooker" <ray.hooker(a)me.com> wrote:
Wolfgang, Thanks. That works nicely. I do have a followup
question. I
wrote the following query:
rule "Find patient taking Atorvastin (Lipitor)"
dialect "mvel"
when
$p: PatientRecord($meds: medications)
MedicationRecord(getCode("RxNorm").contains("617314")) from $meds
then
System.out.println("Found a patient taking Lipitor:
"+$p.medical_record_number);
results.addResult(new Result("test",$p.medical_record_number,"Found
Patient Taking Lipitor","now"));
end
The problem is that a patient record may have multiple times where this
was prescribed. How would I change the query so that it does not repeat
the find so that it is logically:
“If the patient ever took Lipitor… or if there is any record of the
patient taking Lipitor then flag then…” instead of flagging for each hit??
So it only flags a patient with at least one medication record indicating
Lipitor…
Thanks,
Ray
On Jan 2, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Wolfgang Laun <wolfgang.laun(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
As you describe it, here's the way to refer to a particular medication:
Patient( $meds: medications )
Medication( drugCode == "55749-003-01" ) from $meds
This rule determines whether the patient has this particular
medication. There are other operators that might be useful:
Medication( drugCode str[startsWith] "55749-003" ) from $meds
Inserting the Medication objects with a backlink to the Patient can
simplify rule evaluation, which may depend on the number and
complexity of the rules. Compare:
Patient( $meds: medications )
Medication( drugCode == "55749-003-01" ) from $meds
Medication( drugCode == "55799-565-01" ) from $meds
with
$p: Patient()
Medication( drugCode == "55749-003-01", patient == $p )
Medication( drugCode == "55799-565-01", patient == $p )
Much depends on the number of facts you'll need to process.
To answer your question, "Takes" was a class name I invented to refer
to the relation as an object, and "this" is Java's "this",
referring
to the matching object.
-W
On 02/01/2014, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com> wrote:
Wolfgang, So in your case you were envisioning the possibility of a Takes
object that matched between a particular medication and the patient.
Actually we are fairly close in the case of medications.
As you probably know MongoDB allows for documents. In this case, the
patient’s document contains subdocuments. In the case of medications, this
semantically means “as of the date of this patient document, the patient is
taking the following medicine listed by the applicable code and text
description”.
When read from the DB, you actually have a Java object Patient (or
“Record”)
that has a method “medications” that returns a set of “Medication” objects.
The parent knows about the medication through the set “medications”. I
certainly could assert each patient/ record and for each of those assert
each subdocument, inserting a key back to the parent.
So the rule would need to identify, for example, any case where a
particular
had a medication object where the drug code matched a particular code or
set
of codes.
Any suggestions are appreciated. Also in the example below, is “Takes” a
function and what does “this” refer to?
Thanks,
Ray
On Jan 2, 2014, at 2:01 AM, Wolfgang Laun <wolfgang.laun(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Ideally, a relation is represented by separate objects. Then you might
have
a rule
$p: Patient()
$p: Takes( patient == $p, $m: medication )
Medication( this == $m )
and this rule will fire for each medication of the patient.
Answering such questions without details about the actual data model
is impossible.
-W
On 02/01/2014, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com> wrote:
I am trying to figure out how to work with an existing model. The data
is
in
MongoDB with embedded documents. It is about patients would have
sub-documents. For example. An individual patient may have multiple
allergies. Also a patient has multiple medications. So it is as
follows:
- Patient.medications ---> multiple Medication objects
So I see where you have a simple one to one. Typically perhaps you
might
have the medication record know that it is associated with the patient,
but
that is not how it is currently organized. So the question is can I
write
rules when patients.medications returns a set/ collection of medications
associated with the patient. I want to write a rule such as "if a
patient
is
taking medication=xxx...."
Thanks for your help.
Ray Hooker
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New subject: Kie and Guvnor 6.0
I can confirm that I also have to restart the server, for import suggestions to be
recognised. We’ll have a fix for this in master shortly. There won’t be a FINAL release
though for maybe 6 to 10 weeks. We also found another issue with anything that extends
Collections, which has already been fixed in master.
Mark
On 8 Jan 2014, at 16:35, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com> wrote:
Mark, That makes sense. I added java.util.ArrayList and even saved
it. I had to shutdown and restart though to get it to pop up in the Data Modeler as an
option for field type. Is there a better way to refresh the list?
Ray
On Jan 7, 2014, at 9:40 PM, Mark Proctor <mproctor(a)codehaus.org> wrote:
> If you configure the imports, for the project, then those types become available.
>
> Mark
> On 8 Jan 2014, at 01:32, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the pointer on the docs. BTW have you seen a way to utilize more
than primitive types in the Data modeler? I see where I can specify models I have already
created but what about other classes such as ArrayList, etc? This is needed for
one-to-many relationships between facts. For example, I have an existing model where
patients have multiple medication records. I can write rules to deal with this manually
(e.g., using the “from” keyword), but can I use Guvnor to specify the model as it really
exists?.. which is an ArrayList type Medication?
>>
>> Ray
>> On Jan 7, 2014, at 5:42 AM, Alexandre Porcelli <porcelli(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Here are the docs available for new Workbench:
http://docs.jboss.org/drools/release/6.0.1.Final/drools-docs/html/wb.Work...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> ---
>>> Alexandre Porcelli
>>> Principal Software Engineer
>>> Red Hat Business Systems and Intelligence Group
>>>
>>> On Jan 7, 2014, at 3:02 AM, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have installed and worked with the new Guvnor interface. I am not sure
how to interface with it.
>>>>
>>>> This may be a basic question, but I have not seen documentation of how
Guvnor works exactly in version 6.0. I see that it uses a git repository and maven
server, but I do not see where it actually resides or how I can access it? I need info
like port, protocol, file location or something specific. I have tried to example the
installation but am not sure the details. Certainly there is not a configuration panel
that might indicate configured port for the maven repository, etc. A network diagram
would be helpful.
>>>>
>>>> It is possible that I need to access the git repository or the Maven
repository using Kie specific classes and functionality but then I would assume I need to
give it the url/ web address of the Guvnor and way to configure that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ray
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New subject: Kie and Guvnor 6.0
This commit should fix the problem:-
https://github.com/droolsjbpm/guvnor/blob/master/guvnor-project/guvnor-pr...
But I notice it's not in 6.x:-
https://github.com/droolsjbpm/guvnor/blob/6.0.x/guvnor-project/guvnor-pro...
Looks like this commit added it to master:-
https://github.com/droolsjbpm/guvnor/commit/3f0e996170d50825f650fdf3e130e...
Toni, looks like the BZ has the applicable ACK's to move to 6.x (shame it
missed 6.0.1):-
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1045314
On 9 January 2014 16:04, Mark Proctor <mproctor(a)codehaus.org> wrote:
I can confirm that I also have to restart the server, for import
suggestions to be recognised. We’ll have a fix for this in master shortly.
There won’t be a FINAL release though for maybe 6 to 10 weeks. We also
found another issue with anything that extends Collections, which has
already been fixed in master.
Mark
On 8 Jan 2014, at 16:35, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com> wrote:
> Mark, That makes sense. I added java.util.ArrayList and even saved
it. I had to shutdown and restart though to get it to pop up in the Data
Modeler as an option for field type. Is there a better way to refresh the
list?
>
> Ray
>
>
> On Jan 7, 2014, at 9:40 PM, Mark Proctor <mproctor(a)codehaus.org> wrote:
>
>> If you configure the imports, for the project, then those types become
available.
>>
>> Mark
>> On 8 Jan 2014, at 01:32, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the pointer on the docs. BTW have you seen a way to
utilize more than primitive types in the Data modeler? I see where I can
specify models I have already created but what about other classes such as
ArrayList, etc? This is needed for one-to-many relationships between
facts. For example, I have an existing model where patients have multiple
medication records. I can write rules to deal with this manually (e.g.,
using the “from” keyword), but can I use Guvnor to specify the model as it
really exists?.. which is an ArrayList type Medication?
>>>
>>> Ray
>>> On Jan 7, 2014, at 5:42 AM, Alexandre Porcelli <porcelli(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Here are the docs available for new Workbench:
http://docs.jboss.org/drools/release/6.0.1.Final/drools-docs/html/wb.Work...
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> ---
>>>> Alexandre Porcelli
>>>> Principal Software Engineer
>>>> Red Hat Business Systems and Intelligence Group
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 7, 2014, at 3:02 AM, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have installed and worked with the new Guvnor interface. I am
not
sure how to interface with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> This may be a basic question, but I have not seen documentation of
how Guvnor works exactly in version 6.0. I see that it uses a git
repository and maven server, but I do not see where it actually resides or
how I can access it? I need info like port, protocol, file location or
something specific. I have tried to example the installation but am not
sure the details. Certainly there is not a configuration panel that might
indicate configured port for the maven repository, etc. A network diagram
would be helpful.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is possible that I need to access the git repository or the
Maven
repository using Kie specific classes and functionality but then I would
assume I need to give it the url/ web address of the Guvnor and way to
configure that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray
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New subject: Kie and Guvnor 6.0
There is a workaround. Before saving switch to the Project Editor to “General Project
Settings”. Make any change, such as in the description, and save. That will ensure the
correct notification is sent,for the Data Modeller to be updated. Here is a quick video
that demonstrate the issue, and them demonstrate the work around:
http://screencast.com/t/Myi2Db0l4L
This is fixed in master, you’ll be able to get a snapshot build tomorrow. And will be
fixed in the next community release.
http://hp-dl380pg8-01.lab.eng.brq.redhat.com/jbpm-artifacts/master/
Mark
On 9 Jan 2014, at 16:04, Mark Proctor <mproctor(a)codehaus.org> wrote:
I can confirm that I also have to restart the server, for import
suggestions to be recognised. We’ll have a fix for this in master shortly. There won’t be
a FINAL release though for maybe 6 to 10 weeks. We also found another issue with anything
that extends Collections, which has already been fixed in master.
Mark
On 8 Jan 2014, at 16:35, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com> wrote:
> Mark, That makes sense. I added java.util.ArrayList and even saved it. I had to
shutdown and restart though to get it to pop up in the Data Modeler as an option for field
type. Is there a better way to refresh the list?
>
> Ray
>
>
> On Jan 7, 2014, at 9:40 PM, Mark Proctor <mproctor(a)codehaus.org> wrote:
>
>> If you configure the imports, for the project, then those types become available.
>>
>> Mark
>> On 8 Jan 2014, at 01:32, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the pointer on the docs. BTW have you seen a way to utilize more
than primitive types in the Data modeler? I see where I can specify models I have already
created but what about other classes such as ArrayList, etc? This is needed for
one-to-many relationships between facts. For example, I have an existing model where
patients have multiple medication records. I can write rules to deal with this manually
(e.g., using the “from” keyword), but can I use Guvnor to specify the model as it really
exists?.. which is an ArrayList type Medication?
>>>
>>> Ray
>>> On Jan 7, 2014, at 5:42 AM, Alexandre Porcelli <porcelli(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Here are the docs available for new Workbench:
http://docs.jboss.org/drools/release/6.0.1.Final/drools-docs/html/wb.Work...
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> ---
>>>> Alexandre Porcelli
>>>> Principal Software Engineer
>>>> Red Hat Business Systems and Intelligence Group
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 7, 2014, at 3:02 AM, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have installed and worked with the new Guvnor interface. I am not
sure how to interface with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> This may be a basic question, but I have not seen documentation of
how Guvnor works exactly in version 6.0. I see that it uses a git repository and maven
server, but I do not see where it actually resides or how I can access it? I need info
like port, protocol, file location or something specific. I have tried to example the
installation but am not sure the details. Certainly there is not a configuration panel
that might indicate configured port for the maven repository, etc. A network diagram
would be helpful.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is possible that I need to access the git repository or the Maven
repository using Kie specific classes and functionality but then I would assume I need to
give it the url/ web address of the Guvnor and way to configure that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray
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