8:29 p.m.
I was following that subject on markmail, and them I've enterred the
user-group (so subject and body are coppied from them). I've got the
exactly same problem. When I use the rules with objects the came from the
database (thru JPA hibernate provider), thouse rules never match. When I
do the same from Pojos hand made for unit test, it work.
I don't know what really happen, but i'm sure that it is an equality test
falling 'cause of the hibernate proxys.
I don't get also any kind of error or exception, since it ALL WORK. Just
the rule isn't be acomplished.
I'm using EJB3 + JPA (hibernate provider) and Drools 4 GA;
thanks in advance for any help
--
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CSM - SCJP- SCWCD - SCBCD - ZCE
Chris,
When you use "==" in a DRL field constraint (not eval), drools always
translates it into an .equals() call.
Having said that, there might be other problems, since drools must rely on
object identity for some internal data structures... for instance, we use
IdentityMaps for mapping FactHandles and the actual fact objects, etc.
We would need to test this and see what can be done. Could you please open
a JIRA and attach a test case so that we can reproduce the problem?
Thanks, Edson
2009/4/26 CK <chri...(a)gmail.com>
Hi,
I'm testing out some simple codes using Hibernate and Drools 5 and I'm
hitting an issue with hibernate proxy objects.
With the newer version of hibernate, Javassist is used to proxy some
hibernate objects. By doing this, hibernate objects essentially cannot use
== comparisons, which is fine.
However, this is causing issue in equality checks within Drools 5 LHS
evaluations of hibernate persistent objects.
Let's say for example I have the following Hibernate objects:
class Parent { Child child; }
class Child { String name; }
normally, if you output Parent.child, it should be Child.class. But under
Hibernate, the child property in Parent may be proxied and enhanced with
Javassist, thus making Parent.child.class to be something like
"Child_$$_javassist_75".
Inside Drools, in the LHS:
when $child : Child() $parent : Parent(child == $child) then ... end
Assume that I have insert separate Child instances here that were
retrieved from an Hibernate query directly. Assume that I have also
inserted Parent instances that were retrieved from a separate query
without eager fetching. Given this particular case, the above rule would
not match even though it technically should. Under normal java code, using
equality, the parent's child is equal to the child.
According to MVEL language, which Drools LHS may not necessarily be using,
equality between two objects are compared using values. Not sure exactly
what that means.
Either way, this seems to be a rather unfortunate problem for using Drools
to work with Hibernate objects. Older hibernate versions didn't cause this
problem.
It seemed like jBPM had a similar problem according to the following doc:
http://www.jboss.org/community/docs/DOC-11169
Excerpt:
Object identity and object equality
MAKE SURE TO USE ALWAYS .equals AND NEVER == comparisons in the Java code.
Typically, in the PVM Java objects, we want to use the default object
identity as the object equality. But hibernate persistence breaks this
(even within the scope of one hibernate session) because of the proxies.
So we have to apply a trick in order to make the comparison between a
persistent object and its proxy return true. See jBPM 3 class EqualsUtil
for that trick.
So my question is whether Drools uses equality or identity when it comes
to comparing values in LHS constraints. Is there a way to get around this
issue?
-Chris
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6:28 p.m.
New subject: Hibernate proxy objects equality tests failing in Drools 5
on this afternoon I will migrate to Drools 5 CR1, unfortunelly i'm not
sure if it will solve my problem.
Does anyone else uses Drools with objects that came from an hibernate,
(proxies)?
Also, i'm not using any proxy to fetch lazy data inside my Drools
stateful session.
thanks
Guto escreveu:
I was following that subject on markmail, and them I've enterred
the
user-group (so subject and body are coppied from them). I've got the
exactly same problem. When I use the rules with objects the came from the
database (thru JPA hibernate provider), thouse rules never match. When I
do the same from Pojos hand made for unit test, it work.
I don't know what really happen, but i'm sure that it is an equality test
falling 'cause of the hibernate proxys.
I don't get also any kind of error or exception, since it ALL WORK. Just
the rule isn't be acomplished.
I'm using EJB3 + JPA (hibernate provider) and Drools 4 GA;
thanks in advance for any help
7 p.m.
New subject: Hibernate proxy objects equality tests failing in Drools 5
I'm using non-proxied hibernate backed POJOs in drools with no problems. (THe pojos
aer generaed by hbm2java.) I'll try configuring for proxies to see what happens.
--- On Mon, 5/4/09, Gustavo Maia Neto <guto(a)guto.net> wrote:
From: Gustavo Maia Neto <guto(a)guto.net>
Subject: Re: [rules-users] Hibernate proxy objects equality tests failing in Drools 5
To: "Rules Users List" <rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org>
Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 11:28 AM
on this afternoon I will migrate to Drools 5 CR1,
unfortunelly i'm not
sure if it will solve my problem.
Does anyone else uses Drools with objects that came from an
hibernate,
(proxies)?
Also, i'm not using any proxy to fetch lazy data inside
my Drools
stateful session.
thanks
Guto escreveu:
> I was following that subject on markmail, and them
I've enterred the
> user-group (so subject and body are coppied from
them). I've got the
> exactly same problem. When I use the rules with
objects the came from the
> database (thru JPA hibernate provider), thouse rules
never match. When I
> do the same from Pojos hand made for unit test, it
work.
>
> I don't know what really happen, but i'm sure
that it is an equality test
> falling 'cause of the hibernate proxys.
>
> I don't get also any kind of error or exception,
since it ALL WORK. Just
> the rule isn't be acomplished.
>
> I'm using EJB3 + JPA (hibernate provider) and
Drools 4 GA;
>
> thanks in advance for any help
>
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8:19 p.m.
New subject: Hibernate proxy objects equality tests failing in Drools 5
In fact, i´m really using JPA with hibernate as an provider.
Could you send me your hibernate config? I will compare some proprieties
of tyour hibernate.config with my persistence.xml.
I plenty sure that the rule is ok, since it is working with the unit test.
If you need any help to mimic what your using with JPA, just ask.
Thanks anyway.
I'm using non-proxied hibernate backed POJOs in drools with no problems.
(THe pojos aer generaed by hbm2java.) I'll try configuring for proxies to
see what happens.
--- On Mon, 5/4/09, Gustavo Maia Neto <guto(a)guto.net> wrote:
> From: Gustavo Maia Neto <guto(a)guto.net>
> Subject: Re: [rules-users] Hibernate proxy objects equality tests
> failing in Drools 5
> To: "Rules Users List" <rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org>
> Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 11:28 AM
> on this afternoon I will migrate to Drools 5 CR1,
> unfortunelly i'm not
> sure if it will solve my problem.
>
> Does anyone else uses Drools with objects that came from an
> hibernate,
> (proxies)?
>
> Also, i'm not using any proxy to fetch lazy data inside
> my Drools
> stateful session.
>
> thanks
>
> Guto escreveu:
> > I was following that subject on markmail, and them
> I've enterred the
> > user-group (so subject and body are coppied from
> them). I've got the
> > exactly same problem. When I use the rules with
> objects the came from the
> > database (thru JPA hibernate provider), thouse rules
> never match. When I
> > do the same from Pojos hand made for unit test, it
> work.
> >
> > I don't know what really happen, but i'm sure
> that it is an equality test
> > falling 'cause of the hibernate proxys.
> >
> > I don't get also any kind of error or exception,
> since it ALL WORK. Just
> > the rule isn't be acomplished.
> >
> > I'm using EJB3 + JPA (hibernate provider) and
> Drools 4 GA;
> >
> > thanks in advance for any help
> >
>
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9:42 p.m.
New subject: Hibernate proxy objects equality tests failing in Drools 5
Just now I notice one thing. The application that i am building is
compleatly EJB centric. I have um EJB project that usually do all the
database stuff, and another EJB project for the drools rules. Lets call
them
EJB-DATA and EJB-DROOLS. When the client calls for an specific data that
must be threated thru the Drools rules it calls an Stateless method from
EJB-DATA, inside the method, it gather the necessarie parameter
information and them inside the EJB-DATA method it calls the EJB-DROOLS.
(hoping not been confusing)
(if you are using an fixed space font, here comes the sequence)
Client --> EJB-DATA (gather information inside) --> EJB-DROOLS
<-- return to Client data from EJB-DROOLS<-- return to EJB-DATA
Now looking over my two projects, I notice that I make them apart so one
could evolve with interfering the other.
When I call EJB-DROOLS directly from an UNIT-TEST client with pojos
parameters intantiated by the test, it pass.
When I call EJB-DATA from an UNIT-TEST client (pojos created inside this),
first i was getting an CORBA exception ´cause of a ClassNotFoundException
for the hibernate PersistenceBag.
That´s the way i figure out that my objects are bagged or proxied thru
hibernate.
I´ve tried to use the EntityManager.clear() (EJB3-JPA) to clean the pojos
before send it and make them more like the ones from the first unit-test,
but even so it´s not working.
Then, possible solutions:
1) Make equality test works from objects that came from hibernate from jpa.
2) Kill the proxies and make them simple objects (not hibernate derivated).
3) don´t know, but i´m been realy in a deadline here.
again
thanks for anyone in advance !
--
Guto Maia
Consultor de TI / Desenvolvedor
CSM - SCJP- SCWCD - SCBCD - ZCE
In fact, i´m really using JPA with hibernate as an provider.
Could you send me your hibernate config? I will compare some proprieties
of tyour hibernate.config with my persistence.xml.
I plenty sure that the rule is ok, since it is working with the unit test.
If you need any help to mimic what your using with JPA, just ask.
Thanks anyway.
>
> I'm using non-proxied hibernate backed POJOs in drools with no problems.
> (THe pojos aer generaed by hbm2java.) I'll try configuring for proxies
> to
> see what happens.
>
>
> --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Gustavo Maia Neto <guto(a)guto.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Gustavo Maia Neto <guto(a)guto.net>
>> Subject: Re: [rules-users] Hibernate proxy objects equality tests
>> failing in Drools 5
>> To: "Rules Users List" <rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org>
>> Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 11:28 AM
>> on this afternoon I will migrate to Drools 5 CR1,
>> unfortunelly i'm not
>> sure if it will solve my problem.
>>
>> Does anyone else uses Drools with objects that came from an
>> hibernate,
>> (proxies)?
>>
>> Also, i'm not using any proxy to fetch lazy data inside
>> my Drools
>> stateful session.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Guto escreveu:
>> > I was following that subject on markmail, and them
>> I've enterred the
>> > user-group (so subject and body are coppied from
>> them). I've got the
>> > exactly same problem. When I use the rules with
>> objects the came from the
>> > database (thru JPA hibernate provider), thouse rules
>> never match. When I
>> > do the same from Pojos hand made for unit test, it
>> work.
>> >
>> > I don't know what really happen, but i'm sure
>> that it is an equality test
>> > falling 'cause of the hibernate proxys.
>> >
>> > I don't get also any kind of error or exception,
>> since it ALL WORK. Just
>> > the rule isn't be acomplished.
>> >
>> > I'm using EJB3 + JPA (hibernate provider) and
>> Drools 4 GA;
>> >
>> > thanks in advance for any help
>> >
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> rules-users mailing list
>> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org
>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users
>
>
>
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10:10 p.m.
New subject: Hibernate proxy objects equality tests failing in Drools 5
Do you need the lazy loading functionality that proxies provide? It seems to me that if
you have an EJB call that's providing the objects loaded from hibernate, that's
probably not the case. (i.e. once the objects are loaded and returned by the EJB method,
the hibernate session may no longer be available, so lazy loading could fail anyway.) If
you have access to the hibernate mapping just set lazy="false" on your class
mappings.
Not to say that this use case shouldn't be addressed with drools, but if you're
under a deadline... :)
--- On Mon, 5/4/09, Guto <guto(a)guto.net> wrote:
From: Guto <guto(a)guto.net>
Subject: Re: [rules-users] Hibernate proxy objects equality tests failing in Drools 5
To: "Rules Users List" <rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org>
Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 2:42 PM
Just now I notice one thing. The application that i am
building is
compleatly EJB centric. I have um EJB project that usually
do all the
database stuff, and another EJB project for the drools
rules. Lets call
them
EJB-DATA and EJB-DROOLS. When the client calls for an
specific data that
must be threated thru the Drools rules it calls an
Stateless method from
EJB-DATA, inside the method, it gather the necessarie
parameter
information and them inside the EJB-DATA method it calls
the EJB-DROOLS.
(hoping not been confusing)
(if you are using an fixed space font, here comes the
sequence)
Client --> EJB-DATA (gather information inside) -->
EJB-DROOLS
<-- return to Client data from EJB-DROOLS<--
return to EJB-DATA
Now looking over my two projects, I notice that I make them
apart so one
could evolve with interfering the other.
When I call EJB-DROOLS directly from an UNIT-TEST client
with pojos
parameters intantiated by the test, it pass.
When I call EJB-DATA from an UNIT-TEST client (pojos
created inside this),
first i was getting an CORBA exception ´cause of a
ClassNotFoundException
for the hibernate PersistenceBag.
That´s the way i figure out that my objects are bagged or
proxied thru
hibernate.
I´ve tried to use the EntityManager.clear() (EJB3-JPA) to
clean the pojos
before send it and make them more like the ones from the
first unit-test,
but even so it´s not working.
Then, possible solutions:
1) Make equality test works from objects that came from
hibernate from jpa.
2) Kill the proxies and make them simple objects (not
hibernate derivated).
3) don´t know, but i´m been realy in a deadline here.
again
thanks for anyone in advance !
--
Guto Maia
Consultor de TI / Desenvolvedor
CSM - SCJP- SCWCD - SCBCD - ZCE
> In fact, i´m really using JPA with hibernate as an
provider.
>
> Could you send me your hibernate config? I will
compare some proprieties
> of tyour hibernate.config with my persistence.xml.
>
> I plenty sure that the rule is ok, since it is working
with the unit test.
>
> If you need any help to mimic what your using with
JPA, just ask.
>
> Thanks anyway.
>
>
>>
>> I'm using non-proxied hibernate backed POJOs
in drools with no problems.
>> (THe pojos aer generaed by hbm2java.) I'll
try configuring for proxies
>> to
>> see what happens.
>>
>>
>> --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Gustavo Maia Neto
<guto(a)guto.net> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Gustavo Maia Neto <guto(a)guto.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [rules-users] Hibernate proxy
objects equality tests
>>> failing in Drools 5
>>> To: "Rules Users List"
<rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org>
>>> Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 11:28 AM
>>> on this afternoon I will migrate to Drools 5
CR1,
>>> unfortunelly i'm not
>>> sure if it will solve my problem.
>>>
>>> Does anyone else uses Drools with objects that
came from an
>>> hibernate,
>>> (proxies)?
>>>
>>> Also, i'm not using any proxy to fetch
lazy data inside
>>> my Drools
>>> stateful session.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Guto escreveu:
>>> > I was following that subject on markmail,
and them
>>> I've enterred the
>>> > user-group (so subject and body are
coppied from
>>> them). I've got the
>>> > exactly same problem. When I use the
rules with
>>> objects the came from the
>>> > database (thru JPA hibernate provider),
thouse rules
>>> never match. When I
>>> > do the same from Pojos hand made for unit
test, it
>>> work.
>>> >
>>> > I don't know what really happen, but
i'm sure
>>> that it is an equality test
>>> > falling 'cause of the hibernate
proxys.
>>> >
>>> > I don't get also any kind of error or
exception,
>>> since it ALL WORK. Just
>>> > the rule isn't be acomplished.
>>> >
>>> > I'm using EJB3 + JPA (hibernate
provider) and
>>> Drools 4 GA;
>>> >
>>> > thanks in advance for any help
>>> >
>>>
>>>
_______________________________________________
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>>>
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>>
>>
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>
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10:29 p.m.
New subject: Hibernate proxy objects equality tests failing in Drools 5
Thanks Greg,
But it´s not a lazy loading problem at all. I am not using any kind of
lazy attribute inside the statefull drools session...
Unfortunelly, i´ve just upgrade from drools 4GA to 5CR1 and the problem
persist. Now I will try to make CLONES of the objects the came from the
bank, just to see if that (temporary) solution works.
Do you need the lazy loading functionality that proxies provide? It seems
to me that if you have an EJB call that's providing the objects loaded
from hibernate, that's probably not the case. (i.e. once the objects are
loaded and returned by the EJB method, the hibernate session may no longer
be available, so lazy loading could fail anyway.) If you have access to
the hibernate mapping just set lazy="false" on your class mappings.
Not to say that this use case shouldn't be addressed with drools, but if
you're under a deadline... :)
--- On Mon, 5/4/09, Guto <guto(a)guto.net> wrote:
> From: Guto <guto(a)guto.net>
> Subject: Re: [rules-users] Hibernate proxy objects equality tests
> failing in Drools 5
> To: "Rules Users List" <rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org>
> Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 2:42 PM
> Just now I notice one thing. The application that i am
> building is
> compleatly EJB centric. I have um EJB project that usually
> do all the
> database stuff, and another EJB project for the drools
> rules. Lets call
> them
> EJB-DATA and EJB-DROOLS. When the client calls for an
> specific data that
> must be threated thru the Drools rules it calls an
> Stateless method from
> EJB-DATA, inside the method, it gather the necessarie
> parameter
> information and them inside the EJB-DATA method it calls
> the EJB-DROOLS.
> (hoping not been confusing)
>
> (if you are using an fixed space font, here comes the
> sequence)
>
> Client --> EJB-DATA (gather information inside) -->
> EJB-DROOLS
> <-- return to Client data from EJB-DROOLS<--
> return to EJB-DATA
>
> Now looking over my two projects, I notice that I make them
> apart so one
> could evolve with interfering the other.
>
> When I call EJB-DROOLS directly from an UNIT-TEST client
> with pojos
> parameters intantiated by the test, it pass.
>
> When I call EJB-DATA from an UNIT-TEST client (pojos
> created inside this),
> first i was getting an CORBA exception ´cause of a
> ClassNotFoundException
> for the hibernate PersistenceBag.
>
> That´s the way i figure out that my objects are bagged or
> proxied thru
> hibernate.
>
> I´ve tried to use the EntityManager.clear() (EJB3-JPA) to
> clean the pojos
> before send it and make them more like the ones from the
> first unit-test,
> but even so it´s not working.
>
> Then, possible solutions:
> 1) Make equality test works from objects that came from
> hibernate from jpa.
> 2) Kill the proxies and make them simple objects (not
> hibernate derivated).
> 3) don´t know, but i´m been realy in a deadline here.
>
>
> again
> thanks for anyone in advance !
>
> --
> Guto Maia
> Consultor de TI / Desenvolvedor
> CSM - SCJP- SCWCD - SCBCD - ZCE
>
>
>
>
>
> > In fact, i´m really using JPA with hibernate as an
> provider.
> >
> > Could you send me your hibernate config? I will
> compare some proprieties
> > of tyour hibernate.config with my persistence.xml.
> >
> > I plenty sure that the rule is ok, since it is working
> with the unit test.
> >
> > If you need any help to mimic what your using with
> JPA, just ask.
> >
> > Thanks anyway.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> I'm using non-proxied hibernate backed POJOs
> in drools with no problems.
> >> (THe pojos aer generaed by hbm2java.) I'll
> try configuring for proxies
> >> to
> >> see what happens.
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Gustavo Maia Neto
> <guto(a)guto.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> From: Gustavo Maia Neto <guto(a)guto.net>
> >>> Subject: Re: [rules-users] Hibernate proxy
> objects equality tests
> >>> failing in Drools 5
> >>> To: "Rules Users List"
> <rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org>
> >>> Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 11:28 AM
> >>> on this afternoon I will migrate to Drools 5
> CR1,
> >>> unfortunelly i'm not
> >>> sure if it will solve my problem.
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone else uses Drools with objects that
> came from an
> >>> hibernate,
> >>> (proxies)?
> >>>
> >>> Also, i'm not using any proxy to fetch
> lazy data inside
> >>> my Drools
> >>> stateful session.
> >>>
> >>> thanks
> >>>
> >>> Guto escreveu:
> >>> > I was following that subject on markmail,
> and them
> >>> I've enterred the
> >>> > user-group (so subject and body are
> coppied from
> >>> them). I've got the
> >>> > exactly same problem. When I use the
> rules with
> >>> objects the came from the
> >>> > database (thru JPA hibernate provider),
> thouse rules
> >>> never match. When I
> >>> > do the same from Pojos hand made for unit
> test, it
> >>> work.
> >>> >
> >>> > I don't know what really happen, but
> i'm sure
> >>> that it is an equality test
> >>> > falling 'cause of the hibernate
> proxys.
> >>> >
> >>> > I don't get also any kind of error or
> exception,
> >>> since it ALL WORK. Just
> >>> > the rule isn't be acomplished.
> >>> >
> >>> > I'm using EJB3 + JPA (hibernate
> provider) and
> >>> Drools 4 GA;
> >>> >
> >>> > thanks in advance for any help
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> _______________________________________________
> >>> rules-users mailing list
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> >>
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> >>
> >
> >
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> > Consultor de TI / Desenvolvedor
> > CSM - SCJP- SCWCD - SCBCD - ZCE
> >
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7:21 p.m.
New subject: Hibernate proxy objects equality tests failing in Drools 5
With the new hibernate jars and the migration to the new Javassist,
what hibernate is essentially doing is dynamically generating
hibernate proxy objects that should subclass the original file.
Here's the interesting part.
In groovy, comparing two hibernate objects:
a.a == b.a
works fine when they are the same type of object. Under groovy, "=="
uses "equals()" to do the comparison. That appears to work all good.
However, taking these same two objects into Drools and comparing their
subproperty when they are lazily loaded will cause the problems that
a.a no longer equals to b.a. Yet under groovy, it still says they are
equal.
There could be one of 2-3 things that can be done to fix this, which I
haven't entirely tried.
1) implement your own version of equals() and hashCode() and use the
instanceOf() hibernate util method to do comparison. Sadly, I have
over 50 domains objects and I'm hoping not to have to implement all
the methods.
2) do a eager fetch of the properties. This is probably the best and
easy way, but I am getting this working well under Grails/groovy.
Somehow it's still fetching them as proxy objects, but just loaded.
Either that or the eager fetching isn't even working (I've yet to
fully test this yet with hibernate logging turned on to check).
3) use each domain's identity or some unique constraint to do the
equality check. This is my current "cheating" way of getting around
the problem. I simply use a.a.id == b.a.id. However, this poses an
additional complexity where I actually have to do null checks for the
property. Otherwise, I'd get NPEs all over the place.
At the end of the day, I don't see why Drools cannot see proxy objects
as equal. The only way I can think of is that there is some sort of
direct object/class type check in Drools that's causing it not to
realize that two objects are equal. But I could be wrong, and I hope
I'm wrong. :)
-Chris
On May 4, 2009, at 1:29 PM, Guto wrote:
Thanks Greg,
But it´s not a lazy loading problem at all. I am not using any kind of
lazy attribute inside the statefull drools session...
Unfortunelly, i´ve just upgrade from drools 4GA to 5CR1 and the
problem
persist. Now I will try to make CLONES of the objects the came from
the
bank, just to see if that (temporary) solution works.
>
> Do you need the lazy loading functionality that proxies provide?
> It seems
> to me that if you have an EJB call that's providing the objects
> loaded
> from hibernate, that's probably not the case. (i.e. once the
> objects are
> loaded and returned by the EJB method, the hibernate session may no
> longer
> be available, so lazy loading could fail anyway.) If you have
> access to
> the hibernate mapping just set lazy="false" on your class mappings.
>
> Not to say that this use case shouldn't be addressed with drools,
> but if
> you're under a deadline... :)
>
> --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Guto <guto(a)guto.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Guto <guto(a)guto.net>
>> Subject: Re: [rules-users] Hibernate proxy objects equality tests
>> failing in Drools 5
>> To: "Rules Users List" <rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org>
>> Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 2:42 PM
>> Just now I notice one thing. The application that i am
>> building is
>> compleatly EJB centric. I have um EJB project that usually
>> do all the
>> database stuff, and another EJB project for the drools
>> rules. Lets call
>> them
>> EJB-DATA and EJB-DROOLS. When the client calls for an
>> specific data that
>> must be threated thru the Drools rules it calls an
>> Stateless method from
>> EJB-DATA, inside the method, it gather the necessarie
>> parameter
>> information and them inside the EJB-DATA method it calls
>> the EJB-DROOLS.
>> (hoping not been confusing)
>>
>> (if you are using an fixed space font, here comes the
>> sequence)
>>
>> Client --> EJB-DATA (gather information inside) -->
>> EJB-DROOLS
>> <-- return to Client data from EJB-DROOLS<--
>> return to EJB-DATA
>>
>> Now looking over my two projects, I notice that I make them
>> apart so one
>> could evolve with interfering the other.
>>
>> When I call EJB-DROOLS directly from an UNIT-TEST client
>> with pojos
>> parameters intantiated by the test, it pass.
>>
>> When I call EJB-DATA from an UNIT-TEST client (pojos
>> created inside this),
>> first i was getting an CORBA exception ´cause of a
>> ClassNotFoundException
>> for the hibernate PersistenceBag.
>>
>> That´s the way i figure out that my objects are bagged or
>> proxied thru
>> hibernate.
>>
>> I´ve tried to use the EntityManager.clear() (EJB3-JPA) to
>> clean the pojos
>> before send it and make them more like the ones from the
>> first unit-test,
>> but even so it´s not working.
>>
>> Then, possible solutions:
>> 1) Make equality test works from objects that came from
>> hibernate from jpa.
>> 2) Kill the proxies and make them simple objects (not
>> hibernate derivated).
>> 3) don´t know, but i´m been realy in a deadline here.
>>
>>
>> again
>> thanks for anyone in advance !
>>
>> --
>> Guto Maia
>> Consultor de TI / Desenvolvedor
>> CSM - SCJP- SCWCD - SCBCD - ZCE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> In fact, i´m really using JPA with hibernate as an
>> provider.
>>>
>>> Could you send me your hibernate config? I will
>> compare some proprieties
>>> of tyour hibernate.config with my persistence.xml.
>>>
>>> I plenty sure that the rule is ok, since it is working
>> with the unit test.
>>>
>>> If you need any help to mimic what your using with
>> JPA, just ask.
>>>
>>> Thanks anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm using non-proxied hibernate backed POJOs
>> in drools with no problems.
>>>> (THe pojos aer generaed by hbm2java.) I'll
>> try configuring for proxies
>>>> to
>>>> see what happens.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Gustavo Maia Neto
>> <guto(a)guto.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From: Gustavo Maia Neto <guto(a)guto.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [rules-users] Hibernate proxy
>> objects equality tests
>>>>> failing in Drools 5
>>>>> To: "Rules Users List"
>> <rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org>
>>>>> Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 11:28 AM
>>>>> on this afternoon I will migrate to Drools 5
>> CR1,
>>>>> unfortunelly i'm not
>>>>> sure if it will solve my problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone else uses Drools with objects that
>> came from an
>>>>> hibernate,
>>>>> (proxies)?
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, i'm not using any proxy to fetch
>> lazy data inside
>>>>> my Drools
>>>>> stateful session.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Guto escreveu:
>>>>>> I was following that subject on markmail,
>> and them
>>>>> I've enterred the
>>>>>> user-group (so subject and body are
>> coppied from
>>>>> them). I've got the
>>>>>> exactly same problem. When I use the
>> rules with
>>>>> objects the came from the
>>>>>> database (thru JPA hibernate provider),
>> thouse rules
>>>>> never match. When I
>>>>>> do the same from Pojos hand made for unit
>> test, it
>>>>> work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know what really happen, but
>> i'm sure
>>>>> that it is an equality test
>>>>>> falling 'cause of the hibernate
>> proxys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't get also any kind of error or
>> exception,
>>>>> since it ALL WORK. Just
>>>>>> the rule isn't be acomplished.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm using EJB3 + JPA (hibernate
>> provider) and
>>>>> Drools 4 GA;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks in advance for any help
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org
>>>>>
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7:27 p.m.
New subject: Hibernate proxy objects equality tests failing in Drools 5
Oh, and a couple other things I forgot to mention.
I believe Hibernate by default will lazily load all association
objects. You have to explicitly set the lazy loading to false in
order to get eager fetching. I don't consider to be ideal as I have a
pricing object that contains many optional attributes to about 10-15
tables out there.
Also, there appears one way to fix this under Groovy. If you assign a
proxy hibernate object to a class property that explicitly define the
type of the object, then groovy will actually automatically recast it
as that type. For example:
class MyDomainA {
String b
}
class MyDomainB {
MyDomainA a // this will get proxied by hibernate
}
class MyPOJO {
MyDomainA a
}
if I assign it as follows:
def pojo = new MyPOJO()
pojo = myDomainB.a // groovy will autoconvert the proxied object to
the real class and store it as MyDomainA in MyPOJO.
Drools, under this condition, will be fine with it. However, this is
not ideal as that means I need to basically create a duplicate POJO
object to store all of the hibernate domain objects. No good.
oh well, back to my a.id == b.id. :)
-Chris
On May 4, 2009, at 1:29 PM, Guto wrote:
Thanks Greg,
But it´s not a lazy loading problem at all. I am not using any kind of
lazy attribute inside the statefull drools session...
Unfortunelly, i´ve just upgrade from drools 4GA to 5CR1 and the
problem
persist. Now I will try to make CLONES of the objects the came from
the
bank, just to see if that (temporary) solution works.
>
> Do you need the lazy loading functionality that proxies provide?
> It seems
> to me that if you have an EJB call that's providing the objects
> loaded
> from hibernate, that's probably not the case. (i.e. once the
> objects are
> loaded and returned by the EJB method, the hibernate session may no
> longer
> be available, so lazy loading could fail anyway.) If you have
> access to
> the hibernate mapping just set lazy="false" on your class mappings.
>
> Not to say that this use case shouldn't be addressed with drools,
> but if
> you're under a deadline... :)
>
> --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Guto <guto(a)guto.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Guto <guto(a)guto.net>
>> Subject: Re: [rules-users] Hibernate proxy objects equality tests
>> failing in Drools 5
>> To: "Rules Users List" <rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org>
>> Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 2:42 PM
>> Just now I notice one thing. The application that i am
>> building is
>> compleatly EJB centric. I have um EJB project that usually
>> do all the
>> database stuff, and another EJB project for the drools
>> rules. Lets call
>> them
>> EJB-DATA and EJB-DROOLS. When the client calls for an
>> specific data that
>> must be threated thru the Drools rules it calls an
>> Stateless method from
>> EJB-DATA, inside the method, it gather the necessarie
>> parameter
>> information and them inside the EJB-DATA method it calls
>> the EJB-DROOLS.
>> (hoping not been confusing)
>>
>> (if you are using an fixed space font, here comes the
>> sequence)
>>
>> Client --> EJB-DATA (gather information inside) -->
>> EJB-DROOLS
>> <-- return to Client data from EJB-DROOLS<--
>> return to EJB-DATA
>>
>> Now looking over my two projects, I notice that I make them
>> apart so one
>> could evolve with interfering the other.
>>
>> When I call EJB-DROOLS directly from an UNIT-TEST client
>> with pojos
>> parameters intantiated by the test, it pass.
>>
>> When I call EJB-DATA from an UNIT-TEST client (pojos
>> created inside this),
>> first i was getting an CORBA exception ´cause of a
>> ClassNotFoundException
>> for the hibernate PersistenceBag.
>>
>> That´s the way i figure out that my objects are bagged or
>> proxied thru
>> hibernate.
>>
>> I´ve tried to use the EntityManager.clear() (EJB3-JPA) to
>> clean the pojos
>> before send it and make them more like the ones from the
>> first unit-test,
>> but even so it´s not working.
>>
>> Then, possible solutions:
>> 1) Make equality test works from objects that came from
>> hibernate from jpa.
>> 2) Kill the proxies and make them simple objects (not
>> hibernate derivated).
>> 3) don´t know, but i´m been realy in a deadline here.
>>
>>
>> again
>> thanks for anyone in advance !
>>
>> --
>> Guto Maia
>> Consultor de TI / Desenvolvedor
>> CSM - SCJP- SCWCD - SCBCD - ZCE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> In fact, i´m really using JPA with hibernate as an
>> provider.
>>>
>>> Could you send me your hibernate config? I will
>> compare some proprieties
>>> of tyour hibernate.config with my persistence.xml.
>>>
>>> I plenty sure that the rule is ok, since it is working
>> with the unit test.
>>>
>>> If you need any help to mimic what your using with
>> JPA, just ask.
>>>
>>> Thanks anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm using non-proxied hibernate backed POJOs
>> in drools with no problems.
>>>> (THe pojos aer generaed by hbm2java.) I'll
>> try configuring for proxies
>>>> to
>>>> see what happens.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Gustavo Maia Neto
>> <guto(a)guto.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From: Gustavo Maia Neto <guto(a)guto.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [rules-users] Hibernate proxy
>> objects equality tests
>>>>> failing in Drools 5
>>>>> To: "Rules Users List"
>> <rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org>
>>>>> Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 11:28 AM
>>>>> on this afternoon I will migrate to Drools 5
>> CR1,
>>>>> unfortunelly i'm not
>>>>> sure if it will solve my problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone else uses Drools with objects that
>> came from an
>>>>> hibernate,
>>>>> (proxies)?
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, i'm not using any proxy to fetch
>> lazy data inside
>>>>> my Drools
>>>>> stateful session.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Guto escreveu:
>>>>>> I was following that subject on markmail,
>> and them
>>>>> I've enterred the
>>>>>> user-group (so subject and body are
>> coppied from
>>>>> them). I've got the
>>>>>> exactly same problem. When I use the
>> rules with
>>>>> objects the came from the
>>>>>> database (thru JPA hibernate provider),
>> thouse rules
>>>>> never match. When I
>>>>>> do the same from Pojos hand made for unit
>> test, it
>>>>> work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know what really happen, but
>> i'm sure
>>>>> that it is an equality test
>>>>>> falling 'cause of the hibernate
>> proxys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't get also any kind of error or
>> exception,
>>>>> since it ALL WORK. Just
>>>>>> the rule isn't be acomplished.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm using EJB3 + JPA (hibernate
>> provider) and
>>>>> Drools 4 GA;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks in advance for any help
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> rules-users mailing list
>>>>> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org
>>>>>
>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org
>>>>
>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Consultor de TI / Desenvolvedor
>>> CSM - SCJP- SCWCD - SCBCD - ZCE
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org
>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users
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>>
>>
>>
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2:43 p.m.
New subject: Hibernate proxy objects equality tests failing in Drools 5
I don´t have a clue why is not working eather.
Unfortunelly I can´t really rely on a.id == b.id ´cause I have rules like:
$participante:Participante() && $participacoes: ArrayList(size == 0) from
collect(ParticipacaoCiclo(participante == $participante && saidaPosto ==
null && periodo == 1 ))
Do eager fetching, will really reduce my perfomace, since most of my
collection properties have a huge amount of data (I don´t use that data
inside the drools session, I don´t need them).
I have 2 clients one is an UnitTest that access the EJB and the other is
an JSF 1.2 webclient (the real application itself). I´m not using groovy
(not in this project, however I found that really interesting).
thanks.
just a question (==) will be translated to (equals) right?
With the new hibernate jars and the migration to the new Javassist,
what hibernate is essentially doing is dynamically generating
hibernate proxy objects that should subclass the original file.
Here's the interesting part.
In groovy, comparing two hibernate objects:
a.a == b.a
works fine when they are the same type of object. Under groovy, "=="
uses "equals()" to do the comparison. That appears to work all good.
However, taking these same two objects into Drools and comparing their
subproperty when they are lazily loaded will cause the problems that
a.a no longer equals to b.a. Yet under groovy, it still says they are
equal.
There could be one of 2-3 things that can be done to fix this, which I
haven't entirely tried.
1) implement your own version of equals() and hashCode() and use the
instanceOf() hibernate util method to do comparison. Sadly, I have
over 50 domains objects and I'm hoping not to have to implement all
the methods.
2) do a eager fetch of the properties. This is probably the best and
easy way, but I am getting this working well under Grails/groovy.
Somehow it's still fetching them as proxy objects, but just loaded.
Either that or the eager fetching isn't even working (I've yet to
fully test this yet with hibernate logging turned on to check).
3) use each domain's identity or some unique constraint to do the
equality check. This is my current "cheating" way of getting around
the problem. I simply use a.a.id == b.a.id. However, this poses an
additional complexity where I actually have to do null checks for the
property. Otherwise, I'd get NPEs all over the place.
At the end of the day, I don't see why Drools cannot see proxy objects
as equal. The only way I can think of is that there is some sort of
direct object/class type check in Drools that's causing it not to
realize that two objects are equal. But I could be wrong, and I hope
I'm wrong. :)
-Chris
On May 4, 2009, at 1:29 PM, Guto wrote:
> Thanks Greg,
>
> But it´s not a lazy loading problem at all. I am not using any kind of
> lazy attribute inside the statefull drools session...
>
> Unfortunelly, i´ve just upgrade from drools 4GA to 5CR1 and the
> problem
> persist. Now I will try to make CLONES of the objects the came from
> the
> bank, just to see if that (temporary) solution works.
>
>>
>> Do you need the lazy loading functionality that proxies provide?
>> It seems
>> to me that if you have an EJB call that's providing the objects
>> loaded
>> from hibernate, that's probably not the case. (i.e. once the
>> objects are
>> loaded and returned by the EJB method, the hibernate session may no
>> longer
>> be available, so lazy loading could fail anyway.) If you have
>> access to
>> the hibernate mapping just set lazy="false" on your class mappings.
>>
>> Not to say that this use case shouldn't be addressed with drools,
>> but if
>> you're under a deadline... :)
>>
>> --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Guto <guto(a)guto.net> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Guto <guto(a)guto.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [rules-users] Hibernate proxy objects equality tests
>>> failing in Drools 5
>>> To: "Rules Users List" <rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org>
>>> Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 2:42 PM
>>> Just now I notice one thing. The application that i am
>>> building is
>>> compleatly EJB centric. I have um EJB project that usually
>>> do all the
>>> database stuff, and another EJB project for the drools
>>> rules. Lets call
>>> them
>>> EJB-DATA and EJB-DROOLS. When the client calls for an
>>> specific data that
>>> must be threated thru the Drools rules it calls an
>>> Stateless method from
>>> EJB-DATA, inside the method, it gather the necessarie
>>> parameter
>>> information and them inside the EJB-DATA method it calls
>>> the EJB-DROOLS.
>>> (hoping not been confusing)
>>>
>>> (if you are using an fixed space font, here comes the
>>> sequence)
>>>
>>> Client --> EJB-DATA (gather information inside) -->
>>> EJB-DROOLS
>>> <-- return to Client data from EJB-DROOLS<--
>>> return to EJB-DATA
>>>
>>> Now looking over my two projects, I notice that I make them
>>> apart so one
>>> could evolve with interfering the other.
>>>
>>> When I call EJB-DROOLS directly from an UNIT-TEST client
>>> with pojos
>>> parameters intantiated by the test, it pass.
>>>
>>> When I call EJB-DATA from an UNIT-TEST client (pojos
>>> created inside this),
>>> first i was getting an CORBA exception ´cause of a
>>> ClassNotFoundException
>>> for the hibernate PersistenceBag.
>>>
>>> That´s the way i figure out that my objects are bagged or
>>> proxied thru
>>> hibernate.
>>>
>>> I´ve tried to use the EntityManager.clear() (EJB3-JPA) to
>>> clean the pojos
>>> before send it and make them more like the ones from the
>>> first unit-test,
>>> but even so it´s not working.
>>>
>>> Then, possible solutions:
>>> 1) Make equality test works from objects that came from
>>> hibernate from jpa.
>>> 2) Kill the proxies and make them simple objects (not
>>> hibernate derivated).
>>> 3) don´t know, but i´m been realy in a deadline here.
>>>
>>>
>>> again
>>> thanks for anyone in advance !
>>>
>>> --
>>> Guto Maia
>>> Consultor de TI / Desenvolvedor
>>> CSM - SCJP- SCWCD - SCBCD - ZCE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> In fact, i´m really using JPA with hibernate as an
>>> provider.
>>>>
>>>> Could you send me your hibernate config? I will
>>> compare some proprieties
>>>> of tyour hibernate.config with my persistence.xml.
>>>>
>>>> I plenty sure that the rule is ok, since it is working
>>> with the unit test.
>>>>
>>>> If you need any help to mimic what your using with
>>> JPA, just ask.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks anyway.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm using non-proxied hibernate backed POJOs
>>> in drools with no problems.
>>>>> (THe pojos aer generaed by hbm2java.) I'll
>>> try configuring for proxies
>>>>> to
>>>>> see what happens.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Gustavo Maia Neto
>>> <guto(a)guto.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Gustavo Maia Neto <guto(a)guto.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [rules-users] Hibernate proxy
>>> objects equality tests
>>>>>> failing in Drools 5
>>>>>> To: "Rules Users List"
>>> <rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org>
>>>>>> Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 11:28 AM
>>>>>> on this afternoon I will migrate to Drools 5
>>> CR1,
>>>>>> unfortunelly i'm not
>>>>>> sure if it will solve my problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone else uses Drools with objects that
>>> came from an
>>>>>> hibernate,
>>>>>> (proxies)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, i'm not using any proxy to fetch
>>> lazy data inside
>>>>>> my Drools
>>>>>> stateful session.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Guto escreveu:
>>>>>>> I was following that subject on markmail,
>>> and them
>>>>>> I've enterred the
>>>>>>> user-group (so subject and body are
>>> coppied from
>>>>>> them). I've got the
>>>>>>> exactly same problem. When I use the
>>> rules with
>>>>>> objects the came from the
>>>>>>> database (thru JPA hibernate provider),
>>> thouse rules
>>>>>> never match. When I
>>>>>>> do the same from Pojos hand made for unit
>>> test, it
>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know what really happen, but
>>> i'm sure
>>>>>> that it is an equality test
>>>>>>> falling 'cause of the hibernate
>>> proxys.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't get also any kind of error or
>>> exception,
>>>>>> since it ALL WORK. Just
>>>>>>> the rule isn't be acomplished.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm using EJB3 + JPA (hibernate
>>> provider) and
>>>>>> Drools 4 GA;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks in advance for any help
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> rules-users mailing list
>>>>>> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>
>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org
>>>>>
>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> Consultor de TI / Desenvolvedor
>>>> CSM - SCJP- SCWCD - SCBCD - ZCE
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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> CSM - SCJP- SCWCD - SCBCD - ZCE
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3:09 p.m.
New subject: Hibernate proxy objects equality tests failing in Drools 5
Testing, I don´t think my 2 recent messages were sended to the list!!!
Oh, and a couple other things I forgot to mention.
I believe Hibernate by default will lazily load all association
objects. You have to explicitly set the lazy loading to false in
order to get eager fetching. I don't consider to be ideal as I have a
pricing object that contains many optional attributes to about 10-15
tables out there.
Also, there appears one way to fix this under Groovy. If you assign a
proxy hibernate object to a class property that explicitly define the
type of the object, then groovy will actually automatically recast it
as that type. For example:
class MyDomainA {
String b
}
class MyDomainB {
MyDomainA a // this will get proxied by hibernate
}
class MyPOJO {
MyDomainA a
}
if I assign it as follows:
def pojo = new MyPOJO()
pojo = myDomainB.a // groovy will autoconvert the proxied object to
the real class and store it as MyDomainA in MyPOJO.
Drools, under this condition, will be fine with it. However, this is
not ideal as that means I need to basically create a duplicate POJO
object to store all of the hibernate domain objects. No good.
oh well, back to my a.id == b.id. :)
-Chris
On May 4, 2009, at 1:29 PM, Guto wrote:
> Thanks Greg,
>
> But it´s not a lazy loading problem at all. I am not using any kind of
> lazy attribute inside the statefull drools session...
>
> Unfortunelly, i´ve just upgrade from drools 4GA to 5CR1 and the
> problem
> persist. Now I will try to make CLONES of the objects the came from
> the
> bank, just to see if that (temporary) solution works.
>
>>
>> Do you need the lazy loading functionality that proxies provide?
>> It seems
>> to me that if you have an EJB call that's providing the objects
>> loaded
>> from hibernate, that's probably not the case. (i.e. once the
>> objects are
>> loaded and returned by the EJB method, the hibernate session may no
>> longer
>> be available, so lazy loading could fail anyway.) If you have
>> access to
>> the hibernate mapping just set lazy="false" on your class mappings.
>>
>> Not to say that this use case shouldn't be addressed with drools,
>> but if
>> you're under a deadline... :)
>>
>> --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Guto <guto(a)guto.net> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Guto <guto(a)guto.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [rules-users] Hibernate proxy objects equality tests
>>> failing in Drools 5
>>> To: "Rules Users List" <rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org>
>>> Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 2:42 PM
>>> Just now I notice one thing. The application that i am
>>> building is
>>> compleatly EJB centric. I have um EJB project that usually
>>> do all the
>>> database stuff, and another EJB project for the drools
>>> rules. Lets call
>>> them
>>> EJB-DATA and EJB-DROOLS. When the client calls for an
>>> specific data that
>>> must be threated thru the Drools rules it calls an
>>> Stateless method from
>>> EJB-DATA, inside the method, it gather the necessarie
>>> parameter
>>> information and them inside the EJB-DATA method it calls
>>> the EJB-DROOLS.
>>> (hoping not been confusing)
>>>
>>> (if you are using an fixed space font, here comes the
>>> sequence)
>>>
>>> Client --> EJB-DATA (gather information inside) -->
>>> EJB-DROOLS
>>> <-- return to Client data from EJB-DROOLS<--
>>> return to EJB-DATA
>>>
>>> Now looking over my two projects, I notice that I make them
>>> apart so one
>>> could evolve with interfering the other.
>>>
>>> When I call EJB-DROOLS directly from an UNIT-TEST client
>>> with pojos
>>> parameters intantiated by the test, it pass.
>>>
>>> When I call EJB-DATA from an UNIT-TEST client (pojos
>>> created inside this),
>>> first i was getting an CORBA exception ´cause of a
>>> ClassNotFoundException
>>> for the hibernate PersistenceBag.
>>>
>>> That´s the way i figure out that my objects are bagged or
>>> proxied thru
>>> hibernate.
>>>
>>> I´ve tried to use the EntityManager.clear() (EJB3-JPA) to
>>> clean the pojos
>>> before send it and make them more like the ones from the
>>> first unit-test,
>>> but even so it´s not working.
>>>
>>> Then, possible solutions:
>>> 1) Make equality test works from objects that came from
>>> hibernate from jpa.
>>> 2) Kill the proxies and make them simple objects (not
>>> hibernate derivated).
>>> 3) don´t know, but i´m been realy in a deadline here.
>>>
>>>
>>> again
>>> thanks for anyone in advance !
>>>
>>> --
>>> Guto Maia
>>> Consultor de TI / Desenvolvedor
>>> CSM - SCJP- SCWCD - SCBCD - ZCE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> In fact, i´m really using JPA with hibernate as an
>>> provider.
>>>>
>>>> Could you send me your hibernate config? I will
>>> compare some proprieties
>>>> of tyour hibernate.config with my persistence.xml.
>>>>
>>>> I plenty sure that the rule is ok, since it is working
>>> with the unit test.
>>>>
>>>> If you need any help to mimic what your using with
>>> JPA, just ask.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks anyway.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm using non-proxied hibernate backed POJOs
>>> in drools with no problems.
>>>>> (THe pojos aer generaed by hbm2java.) I'll
>>> try configuring for proxies
>>>>> to
>>>>> see what happens.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Gustavo Maia Neto
>>> <guto(a)guto.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Gustavo Maia Neto <guto(a)guto.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [rules-users] Hibernate proxy
>>> objects equality tests
>>>>>> failing in Drools 5
>>>>>> To: "Rules Users List"
>>> <rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org>
>>>>>> Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 11:28 AM
>>>>>> on this afternoon I will migrate to Drools 5
>>> CR1,
>>>>>> unfortunelly i'm not
>>>>>> sure if it will solve my problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone else uses Drools with objects that
>>> came from an
>>>>>> hibernate,
>>>>>> (proxies)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, i'm not using any proxy to fetch
>>> lazy data inside
>>>>>> my Drools
>>>>>> stateful session.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Guto escreveu:
>>>>>>> I was following that subject on markmail,
>>> and them
>>>>>> I've enterred the
>>>>>>> user-group (so subject and body are
>>> coppied from
>>>>>> them). I've got the
>>>>>>> exactly same problem. When I use the
>>> rules with
>>>>>> objects the came from the
>>>>>>> database (thru JPA hibernate provider),
>>> thouse rules
>>>>>> never match. When I
>>>>>>> do the same from Pojos hand made for unit
>>> test, it
>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know what really happen, but
>>> i'm sure
>>>>>> that it is an equality test
>>>>>>> falling 'cause of the hibernate
>>> proxys.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't get also any kind of error or
>>> exception,
>>>>>> since it ALL WORK. Just
>>>>>>> the rule isn't be acomplished.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm using EJB3 + JPA (hibernate
>>> provider) and
>>>>>> Drools 4 GA;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks in advance for any help
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> rules-users mailing list
>>>>>> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>
>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> rules-users mailing list
>>>>> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org
>>>>>
>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Guto Maia
>>>> Consultor de TI / Desenvolvedor
>>>> CSM - SCJP- SCWCD - SCBCD - ZCE
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> rules-users mailing list
>>>> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org
>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
> --
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> Consultor de TI / Desenvolvedor
> CSM - SCJP- SCWCD - SCBCD - ZCE
>
> _______________________________________________
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4:24 p.m.
New subject: Hibernate proxy objects equality tests failing in Drools 5
Hi,
Using RuleFlow in Drools 5 into a action element, how can I read or get
the classes that were in working memory ?
Thanks,
Kevin
7:42 p.m.
New subject: Hibernate proxy objects equality tests failing in Drools 5
You can't do "participante.id == $participante.id "?
--- On Wed, 5/6/09, Guto <guto(a)guto.net> wrote:
From: Guto <guto(a)guto.net>
Subject: Re: [rules-users] Hibernate proxy objects equality tests failing in Drools 5
To: "Rules Users List" <rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org>
Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 7:43 AM
I don´t have a clue why is not working eather.
Unfortunelly I can´t really rely on a.id == b.id ´cause I
have rules like:
$participante:Participante() && $participacoes:
ArrayList(size == 0) from
collect(ParticipacaoCiclo(participante == $participante
&& saidaPosto ==
null && periodo == 1 ))
Do eager fetching, will really reduce my perfomace, since
most of my
collection properties have a huge amount of data (I don´t
use that data
inside the drools session, I don´t need them).
I have 2 clients one is an UnitTest that access the EJB and
the other is
an JSF 1.2 webclient (the real application itself). I´m
not using groovy
(not in this project, however I found that really
interesting).
thanks.
just a question (==) will be translated to (equals) right?
> With the new hibernate jars and the migration to the
new Javassist,
> what hibernate is essentially doing is dynamically
generating
> hibernate proxy objects that should subclass the
original file.
> Here's the interesting part.
>
> In groovy, comparing two hibernate objects:
>
> a.a == b.a
>
> works fine when they are the same type of object.
Under groovy, "=="
> uses "equals()" to do the comparison. That
appears to work all good.
> However, taking these same two objects into Drools and
comparing their
> subproperty when they are lazily loaded will cause the
problems that
> a.a no longer equals to b.a. Yet under groovy, it
still says they are
> equal.
>
> There could be one of 2-3 things that can be done to
fix this, which I
> haven't entirely tried.
>
> 1) implement your own version of equals() and
hashCode() and use the
> instanceOf() hibernate util method to do comparison.
Sadly, I have
> over 50 domains objects and I'm hoping not to have
to implement all
> the methods.
>
> 2) do a eager fetch of the properties. This is
probably the best and
> easy way, but I am getting this working well under
Grails/groovy.
> Somehow it's still fetching them as proxy objects,
but just loaded.
> Either that or the eager fetching isn't even
working (I've yet to
> fully test this yet with hibernate logging turned on
to check).
>
> 3) use each domain's identity or some unique
constraint to do the
> equality check. This is my current
"cheating" way of getting around
> the problem. I simply use a.a.id == b.a.id. However,
this poses an
> additional complexity where I actually have to do null
checks for the
> property. Otherwise, I'd get NPEs all over the
place.
>
> At the end of the day, I don't see why Drools
cannot see proxy objects
> as equal. The only way I can think of is that there
is some sort of
> direct object/class type check in Drools that's
causing it not to
> realize that two objects are equal. But I could be
wrong, and I hope
> I'm wrong. :)
>
> -Chris
>
> On May 4, 2009, at 1:29 PM, Guto wrote:
>
>> Thanks Greg,
>>
>> But it´s not a lazy loading problem at all. I am
not using any kind of
>> lazy attribute inside the statefull drools
session...
>>
>> Unfortunelly, i´ve just upgrade from drools 4GA
to 5CR1 and the
>> problem
>> persist. Now I will try to make CLONES of the
objects the came from
>> the
>> bank, just to see if that (temporary) solution
works.
>>
>>>
>>> Do you need the lazy loading functionality
that proxies provide?
>>> It seems
>>> to me that if you have an EJB call that's
providing the objects
>>> loaded
>>> from hibernate, that's probably not the
case. (i.e. once the
>>> objects are
>>> loaded and returned by the EJB method, the
hibernate session may no
>>> longer
>>> be available, so lazy loading could fail
anyway.) If you have
>>> access to
>>> the hibernate mapping just set
lazy="false" on your class mappings.
>>>
>>> Not to say that this use case shouldn't be
addressed with drools,
>>> but if
>>> you're under a deadline... :)
>>>
>>> --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Guto <guto(a)guto.net>
wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Guto <guto(a)guto.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [rules-users] Hibernate proxy
objects equality tests
>>>> failing in Drools 5
>>>> To: "Rules Users List"
<rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org>
>>>> Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 2:42 PM
>>>> Just now I notice one thing. The
application that i am
>>>> building is
>>>> compleatly EJB centric. I have um EJB
project that usually
>>>> do all the
>>>> database stuff, and another EJB project
for the drools
>>>> rules. Lets call
>>>> them
>>>> EJB-DATA and EJB-DROOLS. When the client
calls for an
>>>> specific data that
>>>> must be threated thru the Drools rules it
calls an
>>>> Stateless method from
>>>> EJB-DATA, inside the method, it gather the
necessarie
>>>> parameter
>>>> information and them inside the EJB-DATA
method it calls
>>>> the EJB-DROOLS.
>>>> (hoping not been confusing)
>>>>
>>>> (if you are using an fixed space font,
here comes the
>>>> sequence)
>>>>
>>>> Client --> EJB-DATA (gather information
inside) -->
>>>> EJB-DROOLS
>>>> <-- return to Client data from
EJB-DROOLS<--
>>>> return to EJB-DATA
>>>>
>>>> Now looking over my two projects, I notice
that I make them
>>>> apart so one
>>>> could evolve with interfering the other.
>>>>
>>>> When I call EJB-DROOLS directly from an
UNIT-TEST client
>>>> with pojos
>>>> parameters intantiated by the test, it
pass.
>>>>
>>>> When I call EJB-DATA from an UNIT-TEST
client (pojos
>>>> created inside this),
>>>> first i was getting an CORBA exception
´cause of a
>>>> ClassNotFoundException
>>>> for the hibernate PersistenceBag.
>>>>
>>>> That´s the way i figure out that my
objects are bagged or
>>>> proxied thru
>>>> hibernate.
>>>>
>>>> I´ve tried to use the
EntityManager.clear() (EJB3-JPA) to
>>>> clean the pojos
>>>> before send it and make them more like the
ones from the
>>>> first unit-test,
>>>> but even so it´s not working.
>>>>
>>>> Then, possible solutions:
>>>> 1) Make equality test works from objects
that came from
>>>> hibernate from jpa.
>>>> 2) Kill the proxies and make them simple
objects (not
>>>> hibernate derivated).
>>>> 3) don´t know, but i´m been realy in a
deadline here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> again
>>>> thanks for anyone in advance !
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Guto Maia
>>>> Consultor de TI / Desenvolvedor
>>>> CSM - SCJP- SCWCD - SCBCD - ZCE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In fact, i´m really using JPA with
hibernate as an
>>>> provider.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you send me your hibernate
config? I will
>>>> compare some proprieties
>>>>> of tyour hibernate.config with my
persistence.xml.
>>>>>
>>>>> I plenty sure that the rule is ok,
since it is working
>>>> with the unit test.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you need any help to mimic what
your using with
>>>> JPA, just ask.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm using non-proxied
hibernate backed POJOs
>>>> in drools with no problems.
>>>>>> (THe pojos aer generaed by
hbm2java.) I'll
>>>> try configuring for proxies
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> see what happens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Gustavo Maia
Neto
>>>> <guto(a)guto.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Gustavo Maia Neto
<guto(a)guto.net>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [rules-users]
Hibernate proxy
>>>> objects equality tests
>>>>>>> failing in Drools 5
>>>>>>> To: "Rules Users
List"
>>>> <rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org>
>>>>>>> Date: Monday, May 4, 2009,
11:28 AM
>>>>>>> on this afternoon I will
migrate to Drools 5
>>>> CR1,
>>>>>>> unfortunelly i'm not
>>>>>>> sure if it will solve my
problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does anyone else uses Drools
with objects that
>>>> came from an
>>>>>>> hibernate,
>>>>>>> (proxies)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, i'm not using any
proxy to fetch
>>>> lazy data inside
>>>>>>> my Drools
>>>>>>> stateful session.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Guto escreveu:
>>>>>>>> I was following that
subject on markmail,
>>>> and them
>>>>>>> I've enterred the
>>>>>>>> user-group (so subject and
body are
>>>> coppied from
>>>>>>> them). I've got the
>>>>>>>> exactly same problem. When
I use the
>>>> rules with
>>>>>>> objects the came from the
>>>>>>>> database (thru JPA
hibernate provider),
>>>> thouse rules
>>>>>>> never match. When I
>>>>>>>> do the same from Pojos
hand made for unit
>>>> test, it
>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know what
really happen, but
>>>> i'm sure
>>>>>>> that it is an equality test
>>>>>>>> falling 'cause of the
hibernate
>>>> proxys.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't get also any
kind of error or
>>>> exception,
>>>>>>> since it ALL WORK. Just
>>>>>>>> the rule isn't be
acomplished.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm using EJB3 + JPA
(hibernate
>>>> provider) and
>>>>>>> Drools 4 GA;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks in advance for any
help
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
_______________________________________________
>>>>>>> rules-users mailing list
>>>>>>> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>
https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
_______________________________________________
>>>>>> rules-users mailing list
>>>>>> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>
>>>>
https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Guto Maia
>>>>> Consultor de TI / Desenvolvedor
>>>>> CSM - SCJP- SCWCD - SCBCD - ZCE
>>>>>
>>>>>
_______________________________________________
>>>>> rules-users mailing list
>>>>> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org
>>>>>
https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Guto Maia
>> Consultor de TI / Desenvolvedor
>> CSM - SCJP- SCWCD - SCBCD - ZCE
>>
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