Re: [aerogear-dev] WebSocket and AeroGear ?

Thx for clarification. It was not just about the server side. They have also nice wrappers on the clientside. ;)

2012/12/18 Matthias Wessendorf <matzew(a)apache.org&gt; > > On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Daniel Manzke > <daniel.manzke(a)googlemail.com&gt; wrote: > > nothing to do with your case, but just my two cents. don't invent > > another > > library to wrap it up. use atmosphere instead ;) > > well, main focus here is offering client APIs and client functionality. > > On the server side there will be just a light/tiny/thin layer around > an _existing_ WebSocket server. Most-likely JSR 356 implementation. > If Atmosphere comes with an impl of that (I think the want to do > that), it could be used. Or what ever the underlying container uses. > > Similar to our REST "extensions" > > Also, outside of the JavaEE realm, we wanna make sure that things like > Netty (read: protocol servers) can be hooked in as well. > > Don't worry, nobody is writing yet another WebSocket server here > > Cheers! > Matthias > > [1] > > > > > > > 2012/12/17 Jay Balunas <jbalunas(a)redhat.com&gt; > >> > >> > >> On Dec 17, 2012, at 3:08 PM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: > >> > >> > On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Jay Balunas <jbalunas(a)redhat.com&gt; > >> > wrote: > >> >> This is similar to what I was thinking as well. > >> >> > >> >> There are two main types of push; native & non-native, but I don't > >> >> like > >> >> those designations. It is really more like "live" & "background" > >> >> push, > >> >> referring to the state of the client. > >> >> > >> >> Live push == Application is open, and active on the client. Push > >> >> msgs > >> >> are routed to the application via more traditional long/short > >> >> polling, > >> >> websockets, etc... > >> >> > >> >> Background push == Application is closed, and not active on the > >> >> client. > >> >> Regular live push messages are not possible. The only way to > >> >> communicate is > >> >> via APN, GC native messaging (sorry web apps - no love). > >> >> > >> >> In an ideal world there would be no difference to the application > >> >> developer using AeroGear API's (client or server). The server-side > >> >> would > >> >> know what clients are available, and the clients would be listening > >> >> automatically. Sending a message would be agnostic for the > >> >> server-side. > >> >> > >> >> Unfortunately this can not "fully" be the case as background/native > >> >> messages have limitations on the content, client support, and > >> >> delivery > >> >> mechanisms. > >> > > >> > one option is, to "push / poll". The client gets a msg on what to > >> > fetch. When back online it performs a "normal" fetch/poll for the > >> > data > >> > in question > >> > >> +1 - I've seen that sort of thing as an option for native push - its > >> really just a phone call to tell the app it has an email - go read it > >> :-) > >> > >> > > >> >> So I think the best we can do is setup a "smart" message system that > >> >> gets you pretty close with good fallback api's and checks for what > >> >> sort of > >> >> messages are possible, or configured. > >> >> > >> >> Make sense, or is this just a big ramble? :-) > >> >> > >> >> -Jay > >> >> > >> >> On Dec 5, 2012, at 2:14 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> well, > >> >>> > >> >>> the idea is to have a wrapper/hook for "push notification" (e.g. > >> >>> APN) > >> >>> in the notifier as well: > >> >>> * receiving 'native push' events, when the app is offline > >> >>> (inactive, > >> >>> not watching the tab/window) > >> >>> > >> >>> If an app is offline, you simple can't receive a websocket > >> >>> frame/msg. > >> >>> So push is needed to tell AG that is needs to fetch data for sync > >> >>> etc. > >> >>> > >> >>> -Matthias > >> >>> > >> >>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Burr Sutter <bsutter(a)redhat.com&gt; > >> >>> wrote: > >> >>>> I am concerned about the words "push" and "notifier" as those can > >> >>>> become confused with real "push notifications" which we will have > >> >>>> to have a > >> >>>> client API for in the future. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Dec 3, 2012, at 2:46 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>>> any further comments? > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Matthias Wessendorf > >> >>>>> <matzew(a)apache.org&gt; wrote: > >> >>>>>> Hi, > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> yesterday some folks of the team meet, to talk about WebSocket - > >> >>>>>> more > >> >>>>>> generally (HTML5) connectivity. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Here is a write-up from the meeting: > >> >>>>>> https://gist.github.com/dd6e3c2da08830776996 > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Feedback and comments are welcome - Please use the comment > >> >>>>>> function > >> >>>>>> on > >> >>>>>> that gist! > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Cheers! > >> >>>>>> Matthias > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> -- > >> >>>>>> Matthias Wessendorf > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > >> >>>>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > >> >>>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> -- > >> >>>>> Matthias Wessendorf > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > >> >>>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > >> >>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf > >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list > >> >>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > >> >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>>> aerogear-dev mailing list > >> >>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > >> >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> -- > >> >>> Matthias Wessendorf > >> >>> > >> >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > >> >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > >> >>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Matthias Wessendorf > >> > > >> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > >> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> aerogear-dev mailing list > >> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Viele Grüße/Best Regards > > > > Daniel Manzke > > > > -- > Matthias Wessendorf > > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf -- Viele Grüße/Best Regards Daniel Manzke