Hi All,           Same for me too, any easy areas to begin with so that I can get a heads up Thanks and Regards Joydeep Bhattacharjee --- On Thu, 16/4/09, Elhanan Maayan <elh.mailgate(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: From: Elhanan Maayan <elh.mailgate(a)gmail.com&gt; Subject: Re: [hibernate-dev] want to join hibernate development community To: "Max Rydahl Andersen" <max.andersen(a)redhat.com&gt; Cc: "Chris Bredesen" <cbredesen(a)redhat.com&gt;, "joy deep" <bha_joy(a)yahoo.co.in&gt;, hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org Date: Thursday, 16 April, 2009, 2:15 AM ok, so do you have any areas i should avoid, or alternately, easy areas as a beginner i should filter jira to look for bugs?   i did speak up regarding unit tests :) no one spoke back, but that's ok , i understand folks won't always be here to answer every question, didn't stop me from asking though.   On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Max Rydahl Andersen <max.andersen(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: Elhanan Maayan wrote: "looking at the code which has a problem and fix it" sounds so simple :), it did sound simple, until i got to working on a bug with sql generation and had huge amount of time figuring out what went wrong, even now, after i found the bug, i don't know if fixing it requires major refactoring or is it something simpler then i'm missing. Your problem is probably not the first thing I would try and grasp in Hibernate - it's probably the most complex part of hibernate; but don't let that scare you. yes, i know about the unitests, they scared me at first, when i first run them after the initial download and saw failures, but i guess i didn't read the results correctly because the hibernate-core project test went ok. Speak up if you got questions about them :) /max On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Max Rydahl Andersen <max.andersen(a)redhat.com <mailto:max.andersen@redhat.com>> wrote:        i never thought hibernate was simple, my problem is that i        don't see how anyone outside jboss personal can actually        create fixes (patches or commits) without internal overview of        hibernate. and jumping head first is actually what a new        developer in jboss would need to do, even if he did had prior        usage of hibernate. so either there  are white papers kept in        jboss for their use only , or the information is pass down        orally by a senior developer.    There are no internal secret jboss documents - all the information    is public. Many people are creating patches to hibernate in    various areas by simply reading the code that is having a problem    and fix it - of course for more detailed hardcore bugs more info    is needed, but no written documentation would help you there - you    would still need to look at the code to learn it.    btw. I did not work for JBoss when I started contribute to    Hibernate, and there are non-JBoss committers today too - the    right to commit is earned by showing skill and drive; not by    getting hired.        to give an example, we have a developer with a 7 year        experience in java j2ee, working on an undocumented homegrown        framework with no internal overview documentation, and only        oral info passed from previous developer, and that's not        nearly enough as fixes usually break something else.    Look at the unittests, if you break them you know you messed up -    if they pass the chance of you having messed up is less ;)    /max        On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Chris Bredesen        &lt;cbredesen(a)redhat.com <mailto:cbredesen@redhat.com>        <mailto:cbredesen@redhat.com <mailto:cbredesen@redhat.com>>>        wrote:           Some observations on this thread:           1. You do not need m2eclipse.  /trunk and /Branch_3_3 both use           Maven 2 and will build straight away with "mvn compile".           2. You can generate Eclipse or IDEA project files from the        command           line in the standard Maven way (mvn eclipse:eclipse or mvn           idea:idea) and then import the projects.  I understand that        IDEA           reads Maven metadata natively but I cannot speak to that.           3. Only committers are allowed to ... commit.  This is what the        svn.jboss.org <http://svn.jboss.org/> <http://svn.jboss.org/>        server is for.        anonsvn.jboss.org <http://anonsvn.jboss.org/>        <http://anonsvn.jboss.org/> is a replica with           read-only privileges.  Use this for now.  You are free to open           JIRA tickets and attach patch files which will be reviewed by           Hibernate committers and possibly committed in a future        release.           4. Yes, Hibernate is complicated.  It is not a trivial        project to           jump into head-first.  So please understand that there are many           ways to contribute:            * Helping on the forums            * Hanging around in IRC to participate/answer questions            * Improving the wiki            * Filing JIRA issues for bugs or attaching test cases that are           required           Happy Hibernating,           Chris           joy deep wrote:               Thanks soo much , I was by the side of the ocean no        idea about               depth .               Are only JBoss people allowed to make changes !!!               Thanks and Regards               Joydeep Bhattacharjee               --- On *Tue, 14/4/09, Elhanan Maayan        /&lt;elh.mailgate(a)gmail.com <mailto:elh.mailgate@gmail.com>        <mailto:elh.mailgate@gmail.com        <mailto:elh.mailgate@gmail.com>>>/* wrote:                  From: Elhanan Maayan <elh.mailgate(a)gmail.com        <mailto:elh.mailgate@gmail.com>        <mailto:elh.mailgate@gmail.com <mailto:elh.mailgate@gmail.com>>>                  Subject: Re: [hibernate-dev] want to join hibernate        development                  community                  To: "joy deep" <bha_joy(a)yahoo.co.in        <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in>        <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in>>>                  Cc: "Peter Harrison"        &lt;peter.harrison(a)methodmaker.co.nz        <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz>        <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz        <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz>>>,        hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org        <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org>        <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org        <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org>>                  Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 6:38 PM                  i've started a small blog        http://osventure.wordpress.com/               about my                  experiences with open source, documenting my attempts.                      please note that you will need m2eclipse plugin to               download the                  code, as the svn repo is not in eclipse project.                  you will then need to change your .settings.xml file for               maven in                  ~/m2 direcotry  for jboss plugins                      also after you downloaded the code you will        encounter               huge amount of                  compiler errors  you will need to the following:                      1. run mvn install on the pom parent - to        generate some               antlr files                  that were not generated during the initial load                  2. change hibernate-core project compiler settings to :                     generated .class file compatibility to 1.4,              source               compatibility : 1.4                  3. on hibernate-common-annotations project change        the compiler                  error/warnings , turn the forbidden reference        (access rules) to                  warning instead of error.                      good luck getting your feet, personally i feel        somewhat               drowning                  when i'm trying to figure out this bug :        http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-3856                      personally i have no idea how anyone outside        jboss can               even begin to                  start modify the code without some white papers or               explanation on                  the internal structure of hibernate.                  On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:05 AM, joy deep        &lt;bha_joy(a)yahoo.co.in <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in>        <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in>>        &lt;/mc/compose?to=bha_joy(a)yahoo.co.in <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in>        <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in>>>> wrote:                      Hi,                          Is there any SVN repository from where I can               download the                      source codes, and set up my project in eclipse        .Can you               also                      give the Bugzilla link for hibernate.I want to        get my               feet wet                      with the code soon . Thanks for replying.                      Thanks and Regards                      Joydeep Bhattacharjee                      --- On *Tue, 14/4/09, Peter Harrison                      /&lt;peter.harrison(a)methodmaker.co.nz        <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz>        <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz        <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz>>        &lt;/mc/compose?to=peter.harrison(a)methodmaker.co.nz        <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz>        <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz        <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz>>>>/* wrote:                          From: Peter Harrison        &lt;peter.harrison(a)methodmaker.co.nz        <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz>        <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz        <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz>>        &lt;/mc/compose?to=peter.harrison(a)methodmaker.co.nz        <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz>        <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz        <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz>>>>                          Subject: Re: [hibernate-dev] want to join        hibernate                          development community                          To: bha_joy(a)yahoo.co.in        <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in>        <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in>>        &lt;/mc/compose?to=bha_joy(a)yahoo.co.in        <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in> <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in        <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in>>>                          Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 5:02 AM                          The ideal way to get involved is to download the               source and                          get familiar with it first - if you have not               already. I am                          here because I made some modifications to        hibernate               for my                          own project and want to contribute back. The        best               way to                          start is to look at existing bug reports,        write a               patch or                          two and attach them to the ticket. Of        course, I'm in a                          similar boat as you, in that I'm not an active               committer                          right now. I'm personally looking at issues        which               affect me                          - aka I don't want to be committing code for        things               that I                          am not having practical use for.                          2009/4/12 <bha_joy(a)yahoo.co.in        <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in>        <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in>>        <http://mc/compose?to=bha_joy@yahoo.co.in>>                              Hi All,                                    I am new to hibernate development               community though                              I have been using the the product for        some time               now , I                              would like to be a part of this wonderful               product how                              can I get on with it .                              Any help in this regard will be highly        appreciated.                                  ------------------------------------------------------------------------                      Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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