Re: [hibernate-dev] Hibernate ORM and Java 8 usage

Gunnar, that's very awesome. You mention being able to include snippets of an actual source file. Do you have pointers to an explanation of the snippets/portion part of that? On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:47 AM Gunnar Morling <gunnar(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: > Hey Vlad, > > slightly related and just in case you are not aware of this feature > yet: You can include (parts of) actual source code files straight into > AsciiDoc documents. We do that in the HV reference guide, e.g. at [1]. > That way you are 100% sure your examples actually compile (and pass > tests) and you don't need to copy & paste them. > > Cheers, > > --Gunnar > > [1] > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/hibernate/hibernate-validator/master/do... > > > 2016-01-13 15:30 GMT+01:00 Vlad Mihalcea <mihalcea.vlad(a)gmail.com&gt;: > > Hi Steve, > > > > The User Guide illustrations are snippets of code that go into the > extras > > folder, which stays right next to every chapter. > > That's in the main folder. > > > > The tests are now located in the test folder of the documentation > folder, so > > that we can update/evolve them in future. > > They are also a proof that the code snippets work. > > There was a time when I realized that an example was not really ok, and > I > > had to change that. > > I change the test first to see how it worked, and only then I updated > the > > Guide. > > They are also a form of regression testing, so that we are alerted if > some > > future change will break the expectations we made while writing the > > documentation code snippets. > > > > The reader can fork the repo and try them, if he wishes. > > > > Vlad > > > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Steve Ebersole <steve(a)hibernate.org&gt; > wrote: > >> > >> Vlad, I see you created a PR for moving your new tests out of > >> hibernate-entitymanager into documentation. I guess that depends on > the > >> intent. Are they meant as illustrations? And if so, how are you > >> expecting > >> people will see them? And if they are meant as real tests rather than > as > >> illustrations, I think moving them is not appropriate. > >> > >> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 4:57 AM andrea boriero <dreborier(a)gmail.com&gt; > >> wrote: > >> > >> > I'm not against the use of Java 8 letting AnimalSniffer guarding for > >> > compatibility, > >> > but I understand this can cause some problems so I'm ok with removing > >> > Java > >> > 8 usage from tests. > >> > > >> > On 12 January 2016 at 10:07, Gunnar Morling <gunnar(a)hibernate.org&gt; > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > @Vlad, what Java 8 syntax specifically are you using in the user > guide > >> > > tests (examples?)? > >> > > > >> > > I like the idea of using a current syntax in usage examples, to > give > >> > > the guide a current look and show that our APIs play well with > current > >> > > Java versions (while staying compatible with older ones). > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > 2016-01-12 10:51 GMT+01:00 Sanne Grinovero <sanne(a)hibernate.org&gt;: > >> > > > +1 for Vlad's proposal to use the same JDK for tests and main > code > >> > > > in > >> > > > a given module. > >> > > > > >> > > > Infinispan requires Java8 at runtime too, so that module should > be > >> > > > the > >> > > > only one to use Java8? > >> > > > > >> > > > On 12 January 2016 at 07:55, Vlad Mihalcea < > mihalcea.vlad(a)gmail.com&gt; > >> > > wrote: > >> > > >> I used Java 8 syntax in the User Guide tests as I remembered > that > >> > tests > >> > > can > >> > > >> use it, but I also agree that this is a rather strange move. > >> > > >> Since we need to support Java 1.6, maybe it's a better idea to > use > >> > > >> the > >> > > >> latest JDK just in the modules where we have no other choice. > >> > > >> For testing, I think that 1.6 is just fine and I could easily > >> > > >> change > >> > > those > >> > > >> tests to remove the 1.8 dependency. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> So I vote for using the same JDK for both main and test in a > >> > particular > >> > > >> module. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Vlad > >> > > >> > >> > > >> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 11:35 PM, Steve Ebersole > >> > > >> <steve(a)hibernate.org > >> > > > >> > > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > >> > > >>> The former. People commit things that already assume the move > to > >> > Java > >> > > 8 > >> > > >>> locally to build (and test). But at the moment we have not > >> > formalized > >> > > >>> that, and so that causes problems when we import into an IDE - > the > >> > > imported > >> > > >>> IDE project is built for 1.6 compliance and so everything we > try > >> > > >>> in > >> > > the IDE > >> > > >>> fails. > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 3:33 PM Gunnar Morling > >> > > >>> <gunnar(a)hibernate.org > >> > > > >> > > >>> wrote: > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > Hey, > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > or we move to Java 8 and rely on > >> > > >>> > > AnimalSniffer to make sure we are still compatible. > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > WDYM by "move to Java8" exactly? Requiring it at Hibernate's > >> > > >>> > build > >> > > >>> > time, or also at runtime in user apps? > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > 2016-01-11 19:49 GMT+01:00 Steve Ebersole < > steve(a)hibernate.org&gt;: > >> > > >>> > > The use of Java 8 features in Hibernate ORM is starting to > >> > expand. > >> > > >>> > Luckily > >> > > >>> > > it is still constrained to just tests. > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > However these usages make development in an IDE more and > more > >> > > >>> difficult. > >> > > >>> > > Previously this was isolated to hibernate-infinispan. > Now[1] > >> > this > >> > > has > >> > > >>> > > crept into hibernate-entitymanager. We need to have a plan > >> > > >>> > > here. > >> > > >>> Either > >> > > >>> > > we stop using Java 8 anywhere, or we move to Java 8 and > rely > >> > > >>> > > on > >> > > >>> > > AnimalSniffer to make sure we are still compatible. > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > Votes? Other options? > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > [1] > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > https://github.com/hibernate/hibernate-orm/commit/c2ece0108ed52d5e3a227ed... > >> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > >>> > > hibernate-dev mailing list > >> > > >>> > > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > >> > > >>> > > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > >> > > >>> hibernate-dev mailing list > >> > > >>> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > >> > > >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > > >> hibernate-dev mailing list > >> > > >> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > >> > > >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > > hibernate-dev mailing list > >> > > > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > >> > > > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > hibernate-dev mailing list > >> > > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > >> > > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > hibernate-dev mailing list > >> > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > >> > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> hibernate-dev mailing list > >> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > > > > >